Track set up stock 3.2 Carrera VS. Absolute stock 996.......
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In one of DE's I attended this year, it was brought up to my attention that my older stock
911 run so well because it had an "idealized track set up" as opposed to a complete stock 996, and therefore I had a definite advantage.......
I just politely smiled and walked away......
But....... come on...... can a very good track set up really make up for the over 100 HP difference?
Your thoughts are appreciated.....
911 run so well because it had an "idealized track set up" as opposed to a complete stock 996, and therefore I had a definite advantage.......
I just politely smiled and walked away......
But....... come on...... can a very good track set up really make up for the over 100 HP difference?
Your thoughts are appreciated.....
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At Barber, a stock 996 with street tires will understeer everywhere. No contest, a well set up 3.2 would eke out faster lap times IMO.
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For purposes of comparison, I would turn 1:58's - 2:00's at TWS depending on the day and conditions in my then "F" 944 Turbo.
In my bone stock 996 on street tires, I can turn a 2:02 without pushing too hard and could most likely eek out a 1:59 if I went 10/10th's.
In my bone stock 996 on street tires, I can turn a 2:02 without pushing too hard and could most likely eek out a 1:59 if I went 10/10th's.
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And that is generally a HP track.
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Hey paolo, if you come to Calabogie at the end of september, you'll be able to measure to my 996. You don't need to spend a fortune to make these cars handle well and brake. My RSA had everything and was a blast to drive but I made the 996 equal or better with GT3 suspension, sway bars, pagid pads all around and Motul 660. And lets not forget the R-compound.....
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Hey paolo, if you come to Calabogie at the end of september, you'll be able to measure to my 996. You don't need to spend a fortune to make these cars handle well and brake. My RSA had everything and was a blast to drive but I made the 996 equal or better with GT3 suspension, sway bars, pagid pads all around and Motul 660. And lets not forget the R-compound..... ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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My money is on the track setup car. Here's my thoughts...
1) Lap times: The previous owner of the car could turn 2:13.5 at the Glen and that track has gotten faster since then. Let's figure he could turn a high 2:11 now. Can a stock 996 go faster? Maybe, but still my money is on the 3.2. Similarly, the previous owner was doing a 1:42.3 at Mid-Ohio. I just don't see a 996 going faster there.
2) Power to weight: the car weighs in at 3181 (with driver) and has 247HP for a ratio of 12.88. With the (mostly) legal changes that can and have been done to the car, I figure the true ratio is closer to 11.5. A 996 is allowed to weigh in at 3060, but I'm willing to bet that the true weight is closer to 3200. With 320 HP, this gives a true ratio of 10. Yes, the 996 is faster in a straight line, but it's not as much as we'd expect given the HP differences.
1) Lap times: The previous owner of the car could turn 2:13.5 at the Glen and that track has gotten faster since then. Let's figure he could turn a high 2:11 now. Can a stock 996 go faster? Maybe, but still my money is on the 3.2. Similarly, the previous owner was doing a 1:42.3 at Mid-Ohio. I just don't see a 996 going faster there.
2) Power to weight: the car weighs in at 3181 (with driver) and has 247HP for a ratio of 12.88. With the (mostly) legal changes that can and have been done to the car, I figure the true ratio is closer to 11.5. A 996 is allowed to weigh in at 3060, but I'm willing to bet that the true weight is closer to 3200. With 320 HP, this gives a true ratio of 10. Yes, the 996 is faster in a straight line, but it's not as much as we'd expect given the HP differences.
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Depends on the track. At WGI or Mosport , the hp of the 996 will give it an advantage, but at a track like Calabogie which has a lot of connected corners, you should be as fast or faster than a stock 996. Also, I'm not sure what a stock 996 weighs, but your car is probably a little lighter.
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My mistake. For some reason, I was thinking that Paolo had a 964 and looked up the ratings on that. That being said, I'll still put the power to weight ratio at 11.5, and I bet it is slightly better than that.
My money is still on the 3.2. I really want to see a stock 996 do better lap times than a 1:42 at Mid-Ohio or 2:11 at Watkins Glen before I believe otherwise.
My money is still on the 3.2. I really want to see a stock 996 do better lap times than a 1:42 at Mid-Ohio or 2:11 at Watkins Glen before I believe otherwise.