Bristol, Nascar, NRA, and missing teeth
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Interesting post. Racing coverage is all about money and sponsors. I grew up within 10 miles of Bristol. I've never attended a Nascar race but enjoy certain races, Bristol being one of them. I have all my teeth, a college degree and race a Porsche. As much as I'd like to see more sports car coverage, the money is in Nascar.
Addressing the demographics of Nascar, the sport accelarated when they started reaching a better demographic. I know quite a few individuals that will be at the Bristol race, in private suites. Trust me, they all their teeth and a lot of cash!
BTW- we'll be watching Sebring, F1 & the Bristol race during the weekend.
Addressing the demographics of Nascar, the sport accelarated when they started reaching a better demographic. I know quite a few individuals that will be at the Bristol race, in private suites. Trust me, they all their teeth and a lot of cash!
BTW- we'll be watching Sebring, F1 & the Bristol race during the weekend.
I have a lot of respect for the people involved in the racing activities of NASCAR. The level of professionalism is very high. It may not be as much of a "clean room" operation that F1 runs but it is still very impressive. And the drivers are good. Anyone who can take the checkered flag at Bristol is a damn good driver no matter how much ignorant people say that NASCAR is all about turning left.
I do wish they would run more road courses, though.
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Well, FWIW -I've got all the Sebring and F1 coverage lined up on the TIVO - will be out of town all weekend, but it will be waiting for me when I get home.....
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Drifting
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Let's do a screening night at your place. (I will bring the roadkill). That was a joke.
I'd race anything by the way.
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It gets old!
News flash Speed is 95% NASCAR! Owning a Porsche does not make you better than someone who is missing teeth, just richer. If you don't like NASCAR, fine don't watch it.
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
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Drifting
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News flash Speed is 95% NASCAR! Owning a Porsche does not make you better than someone who is missing teeth, just richer. If you don't like NASCAR, fine don't watch it.
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
I got all the ALMS coverage I need today Saturday
Last edited by FredC; 03-15-2008 at 10:36 AM.
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2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
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Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
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News flash Speed is 95% NASCAR! Owning a Porsche does not make you better than someone who is missing teeth, just richer. If you don't like NASCAR, fine don't watch it.
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
If bashing the NASCAR crowd makes you feel better about yourself, get really intelectual and figure out why! I have a Porsche, a college degree, and all my teeth. With the amount of money that I paid for some of them I can also understand why plenty of people don't have them all.
If you think a Prius can go faster around Bristol you are tripping. There is more real racing in a Bristol race than there is in a season of F1. By the way, What is the difference between a Porsche and a cactus?
x2 well said.
#24
Yo Fred
Nothing personal against you. I know you, and have pointed you by on several ocassions the last couple of years. I have made some great friends in PCA, but sure have met alot of people with some serious attitude problems.
The bashing that came out in the Toyota wins in Cup got me started but I wasn't motivated enough to chime in then. I'm just grumpy today, spent all day yesterday pulling off exhaust manifolds on my tow truck to have the fun ofdrilling out broken studs.
The bashing that came out in the Toyota wins in Cup got me started but I wasn't motivated enough to chime in then. I'm just grumpy today, spent all day yesterday pulling off exhaust manifolds on my tow truck to have the fun ofdrilling out broken studs.
#25
Drifting
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Nothing personal against you. I know you, and have pointed you by on several ocassions the last couple of years. I have made some great friends in PCA, but sure have met alot of people with some serious attitude problems.
The bashing that came out in the Toyota wins in Cup got me started but I wasn't motivated enough to chime in then. I'm just grumpy today, spent all day yesterday pulling off exhaust manifolds on my tow truck to have the fun ofdrilling out broken studs.
The bashing that came out in the Toyota wins in Cup got me started but I wasn't motivated enough to chime in then. I'm just grumpy today, spent all day yesterday pulling off exhaust manifolds on my tow truck to have the fun ofdrilling out broken studs.
Cheers
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Don't read too much into all this. I am stuck at home, and just felt ****ty about the fact that my own personal preferred forms of racing were not getting coverage on speed this evening...despite the importance their respective season opening events. Please don't be offended by the title of the thread. It's meant for humor more than anything else.
And DHinkle: by the way, big time sponsors are big time sponsors and tend to enjoy private suites wherever they go, Bristol or Monaco.
And DHinkle: by the way, big time sponsors are big time sponsors and tend to enjoy private suites wherever they go, Bristol or Monaco.
I love road racing of all sorts, but have to admit to also being interested in NASCAR.
First, I don't know if you have ever driven a short oval, but it is technically challenging to go fast, stay off the wall, and keep the car alive. Second, many of those drivers are really good. Note how much trouble our road racing stars have in adapting. Juan Pablo, Dario, AJ probably aren't thinking , "this is too easy".
The guys who fight to the top could drive almost anything- Jeff Gordon, Jimie Johnson, Edwards, etc. If you notice, the cars are drifting much of the time.
Finally, road racing is much more a driver sport than a spectator sport. The gaps get long, the passing is rare, and it is obviously boring to most non-participants. I think road racing would do better if there was much more focus on in-car video, and would benefit from camera technology that really reproduces the driver experience.
Lastly, NASCAR has tied the driver as a visual image to a sponsor, so there is much more money available for sponshorship. You can't see Tony Stewart without visualizing Home Depot.
Here is one more point. At Skip Barber (Road America), I was doing a brush up course long ago. I asked one of the most expereinced instructors who he thought was the best driver to go through. His reply was, Jeff Gordon.
Anyway, hope you are doing well, and let us know what you think of the race. AS
#27
Drifting
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Stuck at home could imply many more things than infirmity. Like caring for a sick child for instance. We agree on everything else as I my point is not that it is not challenging to race at Bristol (though i have no experience on a short oval), but instead that the match between short oval and COT is not there.
Enjoy the race too. It is promising so far.
Fred
Enjoy the race too. It is promising so far.
Fred
First, "stuck at home implies some form of infirmity, so we hope you are well.
I love road racing of all sorts, but have to admit to also being interested in NASCAR.
First, I don't know if you have ever driven a short oval, but it is technically challenging to go fast, stay off the wall, and keep the car alive. Second, many of those drivers are really good. Note how much trouble our road racing stars have in adapting. Juan Pablo, Dario, AJ probably aren't thinking , "this is too easy".
The guys who fight to the top could drive almost anything- Jeff Gordon, Jimie Johnson, Edwards, etc. If you notice, the cars are drifting much of the time.
Finally, road racing is much more a driver sport than a spectator sport. The gaps get long, the passing is rare, and it is obviously boring to most non-participants. I think road racing would do better if there was much more focus on in-car video, and would benefit from camera technology that really reproduces the driver experience.
Lastly, NASCAR has tied the driver as a visual image to a sponsor, so there is much more money available for sponshorship. You can't see Tony Stewart without visualizing Home Depot.
Here is one more point. At Skip Barber (Road America), I was doing a brush up course long ago. I asked one of the most expereinced instructors who he thought was the best driver to go through. His reply was, Jeff Gordon.
Anyway, hope you are doing well, and let us know what you think of the race. AS
I love road racing of all sorts, but have to admit to also being interested in NASCAR.
First, I don't know if you have ever driven a short oval, but it is technically challenging to go fast, stay off the wall, and keep the car alive. Second, many of those drivers are really good. Note how much trouble our road racing stars have in adapting. Juan Pablo, Dario, AJ probably aren't thinking , "this is too easy".
The guys who fight to the top could drive almost anything- Jeff Gordon, Jimie Johnson, Edwards, etc. If you notice, the cars are drifting much of the time.
Finally, road racing is much more a driver sport than a spectator sport. The gaps get long, the passing is rare, and it is obviously boring to most non-participants. I think road racing would do better if there was much more focus on in-car video, and would benefit from camera technology that really reproduces the driver experience.
Lastly, NASCAR has tied the driver as a visual image to a sponsor, so there is much more money available for sponshorship. You can't see Tony Stewart without visualizing Home Depot.
Here is one more point. At Skip Barber (Road America), I was doing a brush up course long ago. I asked one of the most expereinced instructors who he thought was the best driver to go through. His reply was, Jeff Gordon.
Anyway, hope you are doing well, and let us know what you think of the race. AS
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