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Old 03-04-2008, 02:16 PM
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My 993 always dynoed at ~249 RWHP. There is one running in our region at ~262 RWHP. Using the 249 figure, you need to weigh 3610 with driver to stay in GTS2. I did not want to ride around with 200lbs of ballast given that the tire, rotor and pad wear etc are bad enough. Thus, I pulled out the passenger seat, ballast, spare tire, door panels (easy stuff) to lighten up as much as possible, but still be able to run with PCA without too much effort.
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I'm estimating that my car will be at 230RWHP (272 stock HP with 15% taken out for drivetrain losses). Here are the figures I'm using:

3000lb 993+150lbs ballast+200lb driver and gear=3350lbs/230RWHP=14.57

John, I'm sorry to hear that the white 993 is ailing. That's an expensive shift. Do you really think running another 150lbs of ballast will make that much of a difference in tires and brakes?
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
You and I both need a new dyno run, we should go together, be cool to see how our engines fare now. I was at 2515 with 1/4 tank of gas with the yellow car (w/o driver) and I don't know how much lighter I could make it, this car should be the same.
I am curious to find out what power your shiny new engine produces.
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Mark, I think an extra 150 lbs will be noticable w/ regards to tires and brakes, but it's the difference between being competitive at the top of the food chain in GTS2 verses being at the bottom of the food chain in GTS3. Life... it's all about compromises.
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Tom D ran GTS3 with a 993 GAC car last year which has a 3.8 with a cam turning 290 at the wheels. His car also weighs 2650 without the driver. He added weight 110 lbs or so to make weight and managed a track record on his first race at Summit last year. I have driven his car and it has 350 lbs of weight, plus a 50 plus hp on mine. He is has a 1.5 secs on me at Summit and a litte less than 2 secs at VIR (2:09s). I think running heavy in GT2S make more sense than trying to find 400 lbs to take off my car for GTS3. If it gets hard on the brakes, I will add the bigger brakes and go prepared in PCA for the couple of races I will do this year.
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Originally Posted by constaf
I am curious to find out what power your shiny new engine produces.
Come join us for "Dyno Day" Fred!
Old 03-04-2008, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary R.
Come join us for "Dyno Day" Fred!
Good idea. You could finally silence all the haters about that car.
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Originally Posted by 1957 356
Good idea. You could finally silence all the haters about that car.

I thrive on it. No way i want to silence anyone
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NorCal???

I just checked all of last year's results and only found the following:

March 10 - Thunderhill - there is a "GTS1" class with 3 cars.

I'm assuming this isn't a very popular class in our region - maybe everyone has their plate full just trying to make all the *usual* races in a season?
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Originally Posted by Bull993tt
If your RWHP comes in a little higher and/or your car and gear weighs a little less, then you will have to add a little weight. I will bet I'm pretty close in these estimates.
Instead of adding weight, why not tune away a little HP for more torque? Swap chips/ECUs? Change cam/spark timing?
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Originally Posted by 1957 356
Gary, remember that we can run a lot lighter in NASA than PCA. IIRC we can run at about 2550 with driver with NASA vs. 2702 with PCA (based on running at 175 hp/175 TQ at the wheels from my last dyno)

How do you get down to 2,550 pounds?
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Originally Posted by FlyingDog
Instead of adding weight, why not tune away a little HP for more torque? Swap chips/ECUs? Change cam/spark timing?
Yep. That would work too. However you would have to decrease a good amount of horsepower to make the NASA class and then you would want it back for PCA races. I think weight increases and decreases are more cost effective and easier to do????
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Originally Posted by constaf
How do you get down to 2,550 pounds?
Cut my leg off and teach it to drive.

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Originally Posted by Gary R.
Cut my leg off and teach it to drive.

And beat you over the head with it too

Seriously, how do you take our cars down to 2,550 without making irreversible changes that would take you out of D-Class in PCA?

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Originally Posted by Bull993tt
Yep. That would work too. However you would have to decrease a good amount of horsepower to make the NASA class and then you would want it back for PCA races. I think weight increases and decreases are more cost effective and easier to do????
I don't know how easy it is to tune your cars. I could probably gain or lose 20% of my horsepower with a quick chip/ecu change and not cause damage or need any other tuning. You could even go so far as to have both sets of maps installed and just change maps with a flip of a switch (outside the reach of the driver, of course).


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