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rogue group of 5 or 6? they were at this event in some consolidated effort or another. i think they were having a good time, screwing off and not really considering the ramifications of their irresponsible actions.
trust me i was all in while running with the 1980's era 911 DTR car that seemed to be in my mirror or in my windshield all weekend. i chased him into turn 1 causing him to overcook and snap spin in front of me. i took the safe route and went off. was he any more irresponsible at this moment than i was? hard to say. however, i would never try to over rotate my car in an attempt to prove i had mad circus skills. kinda like those imbeciles that video taped themselves shooting people with a paint ball gun from a moving car. musta seemd like a good idea at the time.
trust me i was all in while running with the 1980's era 911 DTR car that seemed to be in my mirror or in my windshield all weekend. i chased him into turn 1 causing him to overcook and snap spin in front of me. i took the safe route and went off. was he any more irresponsible at this moment than i was? hard to say. however, i would never try to over rotate my car in an attempt to prove i had mad circus skills. kinda like those imbeciles that video taped themselves shooting people with a paint ball gun from a moving car. musta seemd like a good idea at the time.
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Ahahaha.....how can you possibly blow Oak Tree so badly that a Camaro has a faster exit speed?
If I were in that car, I'd be crapping myself everytime he comes to T3, oh no, what this time? hahaha....
If I were in that car, I'd be crapping myself everytime he comes to T3, oh no, what this time? hahaha....
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Intentional or not, this gives DE the negative publicity it doesn't need. (Esp. after the lawsuit settlement fiasco.)
Chin need to do/say something publicly about this. I was considering signing up for their December event even last night, which I won't now.
Chin need to do/say something publicly about this. I was considering signing up for their December event even last night, which I won't now.
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We don't know but why would he add that at the beginning of the video if he weren't?
Perhaps they should use more discretion when handing out their stickers. 
Given the number of cars flying off the track (some multiple times), the issue appears to be more widespread than a "rogue group of 5 or 6". Even if the video only represents a fraction of the total number of laps in that event, it's rather damning.
Given the number of cars flying off the track (some multiple times), the issue appears to be more widespread than a "rogue group of 5 or 6". Even if the video only represents a fraction of the total number of laps in that event, it's rather damning.
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i was at this event as i have stated before. but after watching this video two more times, i have a different opinion. this almost appears to be green group video. instructors are only in green group with Chin. the CGT was in intermediate solo but everyone can run together in the late afternoon during the open track session. i just don't know what to think about all this anymore.
clowned indeed.
clowned indeed.
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I've been to several Chin Events and have never seen ANYTHING like this...and if I did, whether it be Chin, PCA, or other, I'd be loading up the Featherlite and heading home.
It almost looked like this driver was WANTING to see what kind of drift he could save in T-3....!!!!!
It almost looked like this driver was WANTING to see what kind of drift he could save in T-3....!!!!!
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Chin Motorsports has a very well structured program, and is one of the most highly developed DE providers in the country. In 2007, our extensive calendar features 20 events at 8 different tracks, more than any PCA chapter. PCA has a fantastic legacy for building the foundations of DE for the track enthusiast. But, it is possible for very successful events to be organized by other than the PCA. Interestingly, many of our instructors are fully qualified with PCA nat'l certification. Many of our drivers have PCA background, and we recognize solo qualifications from PCA. We treat drivers like mature adults, and expect them to conduct themselves accordingly. If a driver doesn't meet that standard, they are blackflagged and counseled.
Regarding the video, that is obviously a compilation, with pieces from various in-car cameras. That is not one driver, on one day. A couple of the shots come from the cockpit of a driver that is a nationally certified PCA instructor. And, none of the shots show the black flags that those drivers received after having an off. Be cautious about making assumptions... Our safety record is exemplary. There's a big difference between an 'off', and an 'incident'.
We welcome all drivers, entry level to FIA licensed. Numerous pros from ALMS, Grand Am, and SCCA participate with us for quality practice time. We welcome all marques. Track safety is always paramount. Our emphasis is on lower enrollment, fewer run groups, and more track time. Our typical event gives access to 3.5 hours daily track time.
My name is Mark, and I'm the General Manager of Chin Motorsports. Complete details about our program/formats/passing rules and events calendar can be found at www.chinmotorsports.com. To contact me directly, here's my email address
Drive well, we hope to share the track with you.
Chin Motorsports has a very well structured program, and is one of the most highly developed DE providers in the country. In 2007, our extensive calendar features 20 events at 8 different tracks, more than any PCA chapter. PCA has a fantastic legacy for building the foundations of DE for the track enthusiast. But, it is possible for very successful events to be organized by other than the PCA. Interestingly, many of our instructors are fully qualified with PCA nat'l certification. Many of our drivers have PCA background, and we recognize solo qualifications from PCA. We treat drivers like mature adults, and expect them to conduct themselves accordingly. If a driver doesn't meet that standard, they are blackflagged and counseled.
Regarding the video, that is obviously a compilation, with pieces from various in-car cameras. That is not one driver, on one day. A couple of the shots come from the cockpit of a driver that is a nationally certified PCA instructor. And, none of the shots show the black flags that those drivers received after having an off. Be cautious about making assumptions... Our safety record is exemplary. There's a big difference between an 'off', and an 'incident'.
We welcome all drivers, entry level to FIA licensed. Numerous pros from ALMS, Grand Am, and SCCA participate with us for quality practice time. We welcome all marques. Track safety is always paramount. Our emphasis is on lower enrollment, fewer run groups, and more track time. Our typical event gives access to 3.5 hours daily track time.
My name is Mark, and I'm the General Manager of Chin Motorsports. Complete details about our program/formats/passing rules and events calendar can be found at www.chinmotorsports.com. To contact me directly, here's my email address
Drive well, we hope to share the track with you.
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Regarding the video, that is obviously a compilation, with pieces from various in-car cameras. That is not one driver, on one day. A couple of the shots come from the cockpit of a driver that is a nationally certified PCA instructor. And, none of the shots show the black flags that those drivers received after having an off. Be cautious about making assumptions... Our safety record is exemplary. There's a big difference between an 'off', and an 'incident'.
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Regarding the video, that is obviously a compilation, with pieces from various in-car cameras. That is not one driver, on one day. A couple of the shots come from the cockpit of a driver that is a nationally certified PCA instructor. And, none of the shots show the black flags that those drivers received after having an off. Be cautious about making assumptions... Our safety record is exemplary. There's a big difference between an 'off', and an 'incident'.
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Chin's advanced groups are usually passing anywhere with point by. Clearly, most of the bad driving throughout the video was by the one individual who goes off to the right near the beginning of the video. I believe the video immediately after that is the same incident and was shot by his buddy who was following him. Looks like the two were trying to get video of his phenomenal drifting skills. Interesting that both of these guys are driving 911s. I hope that the guy who went off isn't the PCA instructor that Mark referred to but I have to admit that I have seen driving just as inept in the instructor group at events I have been at.
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Our consistent practice is that name calling or yelling at drivers isn't very useful for coaching excellent technique.
Drive well, we hope to share the track with you.
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Wow, interesting comment... Re-read my post, there's no lecture, and there's certainly no name-calling. There's a neutral statement of facts that are not available elsewhere in the thread, and a suggestion to not make assumptions based on one internet video. 2 subjective statements were offered: -the PCA has a fantastic legacy; - it's possible for successful track events to be organized by other than the PCA.
Our consistent practice is that name calling or yelling at drivers isn't very useful for coaching excellent technique.
Drive well, we hope to share the track with you.
Our consistent practice is that name calling or yelling at drivers isn't very useful for coaching excellent technique.
Drive well, we hope to share the track with you.