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06-06-2007, 04:32 PM
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Seth, rumors suck.
But when the protagonists--Speed TV and World Challenge--totally disrespect their PAYING FANS (i.e., the folks who help pay the rent, in addition to the teams) by invoking a Cone of Silence, then we (said paying fans) have no choice but to believe the ONLY source of information we have: rumors.
But when the protagonists--Speed TV and World Challenge--totally disrespect their PAYING FANS (i.e., the folks who help pay the rent, in addition to the teams) by invoking a Cone of Silence, then we (said paying fans) have no choice but to believe the ONLY source of information we have: rumors.
06-06-2007, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Veloce Raptor
...invoking a Cone of Silence, then we (said paying fans) have no choice but ....
06-06-2007, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan Watts
That may be what you want, but it's obviously not selling to a broader audience or we'd see fields growing and more TV time for World Challenge. I applaud those who think outside the box when it comes to road racing. The France family has done it with Grand-Am Rolex and developed a very successful series, attracting fans, teams, and drivers.
06-06-2007, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Seth Thomas
Anyway the Speed GT race at Charlotte was a different format tried to get the series in front of a bigger audience. In some ways it was a great success and in some (from your reactions) a failure. I don't see it as a lame attempt but more of a bold move to try something totally different than what has been attempted previously by most road racing series out there. I think you will see that the racing will be back to what it has been in the past this weekend at the Glen and will continue to be the series you guys have loved.
I'm really curious as to what ways that race was a big success. I have yet to hear one comment that was positive about the race.
06-06-2007, 11:12 PM
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I agree with the comments on this race I talked to the K-Pax racing crew 3R and they where not excited to be going to Lowes and when I talked to Galati he was very unhappy about having to do this type of race.
My understanding is that it was an ill conceived idea to get road racing in front of the huge number of NASCAR fans to try and increase the fan base for road racing.
However the race was anything but representative of roadracing and it was the last race of the night so most of the fans had already left.
Is it true that nascar purchased Speed TV a few years ago? If so this would explain why the tv coverage is horrible and cicle track rules on Speed.
Someone needs to start a new Motorsports channel "No circle track TV" "Speed with Skill" these names suck but you get the point.
My understanding is that it was an ill conceived idea to get road racing in front of the huge number of NASCAR fans to try and increase the fan base for road racing.
However the race was anything but representative of roadracing and it was the last race of the night so most of the fans had already left.
Is it true that nascar purchased Speed TV a few years ago? If so this would explain why the tv coverage is horrible and cicle track rules on Speed.
Someone needs to start a new Motorsports channel "No circle track TV" "Speed with Skill" these names suck but you get the point.
06-07-2007, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JWERION
Someone needs to start a new Motorsports channel "No circle track TV" "Speed with Skill" these names suck but you get the point.
B) Whether you enjoy watching round track racing or not (I don't particularly), implying that it takes no skill is just ignorant.
06-07-2007, 02:14 PM
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I apologize, I incorrectly assumed that there where not any NASCAR & WWF fans her on the rennlist Board. I should have offered justification for my statements that Circle track racing in general requires less driving skill than Road racing.
Simply look at the 2 Nascar races held on road courses each season. It is painfully obvious and entertaining to see the small hand full of drivers who can really drive like Jeff Gordon pull way ahead of the pack and the majority of the field who don't have the skills fall embarrassingly behind. Nascar requires big *****, a great crew, great car setup and a bit of skill to win.
Look at speed tv's new show "Set Up" all of the circle track guys washed out fairly early because they could not drive the road courses but did ok on the circle track events. The driver who won the first circle track event had absolutely no experience driving on circle tracks but quickly adapted to the course and won the race. This has been the case in every "SetUp" episode so far that I have seen.
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it. But don't make statements about being ignorant without backing it up with at least some general facts.
In regard to a new motorsports channel I agree that if there is a market someone will eventually fill it but based on current and past statements form this board and others I frequent, there just may be enough demand for a new cable motorsports channel to warrant a market study.
I apologize, I incorrectly assumed that there where not any NASCAR & WWF fans her on the rennlist Board. I should have offered justification for my statements that Circle track racing in general requires less driving skill than Road racing.
Simply look at the 2 Nascar races held on road courses each season. It is painfully obvious and entertaining to see the small hand full of drivers who can really drive like Jeff Gordon pull way ahead of the pack and the majority of the field who don't have the skills fall embarrassingly behind. Nascar requires big *****, a great crew, great car setup and a bit of skill to win.
Look at speed tv's new show "Set Up" all of the circle track guys washed out fairly early because they could not drive the road courses but did ok on the circle track events. The driver who won the first circle track event had absolutely no experience driving on circle tracks but quickly adapted to the course and won the race. This has been the case in every "SetUp" episode so far that I have seen.
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it. But don't make statements about being ignorant without backing it up with at least some general facts.
In regard to a new motorsports channel I agree that if there is a market someone will eventually fill it but based on current and past statements form this board and others I frequent, there just may be enough demand for a new cable motorsports channel to warrant a market study.
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JWERION
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it.
They're different skill sets, and just because you're good at one doesn't mean you're good at the other.
06-07-2007, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JWERION
I apologize, I incorrectly assumed that there where not any NASCAR & WWF fans her on the rennlist Board.
Originally Posted by JWERION
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it. But don't make statements about being ignorant without backing it up with at least some general facts.
I can play that game though...how are Boris Said and Juan Pablo doing in Nextel Cup? They aren't exactly dominating what you claim to be something that requires little skill. Even if you want to remove race results because of the "team" aspect, I don't see those guys qualifying on the pole.
Your hate for NASCAR seems to be clouding your judgement as to the validity of your argument.
06-07-2007, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JWERION
Bryan,
I apologize, I incorrectly assumed that there where not any NASCAR & WWF fans her on the rennlist Board. I should have offered justification for my statements that Circle track racing in general requires less driving skill than Road racing.
Simply look at the 2 Nascar races held on road courses each season. It is painfully obvious and entertaining to see the small hand full of drivers who can really drive like Jeff Gordon pull way ahead of the pack and the majority of the field who don't have the skills fall embarrassingly behind. Nascar requires big *****, a great crew, great car setup and a bit of skill to win.
Look at speed tv's new show "Set Up" all of the circle track guys washed out fairly early because they could not drive the road courses but did ok on the circle track events. The driver who won the first circle track event had absolutely no experience driving on circle tracks but quickly adapted to the course and won the race. This has been the case in every "SetUp" episode so far that I have seen.
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it. But don't make statements about being ignorant without backing it up with at least some general facts.
In regard to a new motorsports channel I agree that if there is a market someone will eventually fill it but based on current and past statements form this board and others I frequent, there just may be enough demand for a new cable motorsports channel to warrant a market study.
I apologize, I incorrectly assumed that there where not any NASCAR & WWF fans her on the rennlist Board. I should have offered justification for my statements that Circle track racing in general requires less driving skill than Road racing.
Simply look at the 2 Nascar races held on road courses each season. It is painfully obvious and entertaining to see the small hand full of drivers who can really drive like Jeff Gordon pull way ahead of the pack and the majority of the field who don't have the skills fall embarrassingly behind. Nascar requires big *****, a great crew, great car setup and a bit of skill to win.
Look at speed tv's new show "Set Up" all of the circle track guys washed out fairly early because they could not drive the road courses but did ok on the circle track events. The driver who won the first circle track event had absolutely no experience driving on circle tracks but quickly adapted to the course and won the race. This has been the case in every "SetUp" episode so far that I have seen.
I realize that these observations are not scientific but please if you have evidence to the contrary present it. But don't make statements about being ignorant without backing it up with at least some general facts.
In regard to a new motorsports channel I agree that if there is a market someone will eventually fill it but based on current and past statements form this board and others I frequent, there just may be enough demand for a new cable motorsports channel to warrant a market study.
HERE ya go.
So how many of these road course NASCAR races has Boris Said won. I'm gonna make an assumption that you think Said is much better than all those NASCAR drivers since he is a road course specialist.
In 18 or so road course races he has been in the top 10 only 6 times and the top 5 twice.
His average finishing position in all NASCAR races in 18th (he has run a few ovals but mostly road courses) which shows that NASCAR drivers can drive quite well.
2006 at Sonoma 31 of the drivers were on the lead lap after 110. How many of our favorite road course series can give us that kind of close compettion. If any of the drivers were so much better than the average NASCAR driver one would expect that the leaders would have lapped most of the field not just a few of the drivers (most of which were lapped due to mechanical issues)
2006 at the glen 33 on the lead lap. Of the five others running at the end 3 were one lap down and the other 2 were way back becasue of mechanical.
Now lets look at Grandam GT class. 2007 US Invitation at Laguna Seca. 92 laps. 11 on the lead lap out of 22.
Using 'Setup' as an example is not the right thing in this situation. A manipulate racecar drama show is not a good judge of who is a good driver. FWIW a circle track driver won the Forza show on Speed. What does it mean. NOthing.
So you think another motorsports channel is feasible. You do realize that the number of people who attend a SINGLE Nascar race is well north of 100,000 and close to 200,000 in some places. That's just who shows up to the race. The millions that catch it on TV is mind boggling. How many people do you think tune in to watch Grandam Cup races. Speed World Challenge. Right now another Speedvision on TV just doesn't seem remotely feasible. Online avenues are probably the best avenue for road racing that isn't in the top series.
ummm.. game set match.
06-07-2007, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cooleyjb
...2006 at Sonoma 31 of the drivers were on the lead lap after 110. How many of our favorite road course series can give us that kind of close compettion. If any of the drivers were so much better than the average NASCAR driver one would expect that the leaders would have lapped most of the field not just a few of the drivers (most of which were lapped due to mechanical issues)
2006 at the glen 33 on the lead lap. Of the five others running at the end 3 were one lap down and the other 2 were way back becasue of mechanical.
Now lets look at Grandam GT class. 2007 US Invitation at Laguna Seca. 92 laps. 11 on the lead lap out of 22...
2006 at the glen 33 on the lead lap. Of the five others running at the end 3 were one lap down and the other 2 were way back becasue of mechanical.
Now lets look at Grandam GT class. 2007 US Invitation at Laguna Seca. 92 laps. 11 on the lead lap out of 22...
Even noticed how i.e when a car sponsored by Pepsi at the "Pepsi 400" is about to get lapped, yellow flag comes out...
Of course they stay together when they are not allowed to fully race through the race, no point on trying to create a big lead when for sure it will be whiped away by the next full cource yellow.
BTW, I don't disagree that NASCAR drivers need talent.
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06-07-2007, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Finn
Well with all the fake full cource yellows and "lucky dogs", is that really a surprice that they stay together..?
Even noticed how i.e when a car sponsored by Pepsi at the "Pepsi 400" is about to get lapped, yellow flag comes out...
Of course they stay together when they are not allowed to fully race through the race, no point on trying to create a big lead when for sure it will be whiped away by the next full cource yellow.
BTW, I don't disagree that NASCAR drivers need talent.
Even noticed how i.e when a car sponsored by Pepsi at the "Pepsi 400" is about to get lapped, yellow flag comes out...
Of course they stay together when they are not allowed to fully race through the race, no point on trying to create a big lead when for sure it will be whiped away by the next full cource yellow.
BTW, I don't disagree that NASCAR drivers need talent.
Not on road courses. The yellows don't seem to happen for such dinky things.
Last year Infineon had 2 times with over 35 laps and no caution. That should allow for those "untalented" NASCAR guys to get lapped by the road course gurus but shockingly they didn't.
Yeah they have more cautions but honestly with only 22 cars on course for Grandam vs. 43 on course for NASCAR of course there will be more racing incidents. Plus the 43 cars are much more evenly matched than the 22 Grandam cars.
