View Poll Results: What should the new 13/13 rule be?
Keep it the same as it is.
21
16.03%
Eliminate the 13/13 for single car accidents only.
27
20.61%
#2 plus minor car to car contact with no loss of control.
19
14.50%
Adopt the NASA standard where all 13/13s are discretionary.
64
48.85%
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New 13/13 Rule
#61
Rennlist Member
BMWCCA has a similar 13 program, as Manny states. Up until recently, it seemed that there were relatively few contact-related or other incidents in BMW club racing, however. Over the past 6-9 months, though, that changed, for reasons unknown. There were several events with large numbers of contact incidents, and a number of 13's given out (although it seems that the folks caught up in another's running out of talent were often spared a 13 by some good steward judgement). There were also a number of 13's handed out due to some REALLY questionable calls during FCY's when folks pitted. And the latter has pissed off many, many experienced racers, from my observation.
#62
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by Manny Alban
Quite honestly, I haven't raced in NASA in four years, so I have no idea what their 13/13 program is about or how it specifically differs from PCA.
"The intent of the modified 13/13 rule is to provide some degree of protection against casual body damage and contact by careless drivers, but without excessive or blind rulings. In multiple-car incidents details, accounts, and evidence will be reviewed to assess fault. Sanctions against offending drivers will be imposed on a sliding scale subject to discretion of the officials. Drivers in single car incidents will not be subject to sanction. 13/13 rule may vary slightly from region to region. An entrant can obtain a copy of a regions 13/13 rule at every event or via email from the regions GTS officials. The GTS Challenge 13/13 rule can also be applied to an entrant who’s on track actions causes damage to another competitor’s car even if they have no physical contact with that car. Incident reviews and judgments will be heard by any combination of NASA Race Directors, GTS Officials and/or Incident Review Boards (IRB). IRB’s are assembled by NASA and GTS officials and may include race officials and race entrants."
#65
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by trackjunky
Jim, this might be slightly off topic, but typically, what other cars are you competing against in GTS2(Brand, Model, Mods?)
#66
NASA Racer
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I'll be running my G car in GTS2 after losing some weight. I plan on spending some time at the dyno over the next couple of months to optimize the power to weight ratio. I'm also thinking about running bigger brakes just for NASA.
#68
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Originally Posted by Glen
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Larry Herman
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Larry Herman
2016 Ford Transit Connect Titanium LWB
2018 Tesla Model 3 - Electricity can be fun!
Retired Club Racer & National PCA Instructor
Past Flames:
1994 RS America Club Racer
2004 GT3 Track Car
1984 911 Carrera Club Racer
1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car
CLICK HERE to see some of my ancient racing videos.
#69
Nordschleife Master
Originally Posted by Larry Herman
Yeah, I need to get it together and post the next poll. I talked to Pete Tremper yesterday (in charge of National Instructor Training) and he seemed to think that we could get this in front of the board as long as we have a cohesive recommendation. Any last thoughts? I'll put up the new poll this afternoon.
#70
Instructor
As someone that just came off of a 13/13. I hope there is a rule change to the NASA rules, but I don't think it will happen. I am trying to get my licenses back now. I also hope I remenber how to drive. That is the worst thing about the 13/13, no practice.
#71
Rennlist Member
Originally Posted by Manny Alban
Quite honestly, I haven't raced in NASA in four years, so I have no idea what their 13/13 program is about or how it specifically differs from PCA.
There is no NASA 13/13 program. There are 3 series that I know of that have developed and administer their own 13/13 program within NASA. I believe each of these 3 programs are different. The majority of NASA run groups are not covered by a 13/13 program.