Larry Herman

944. By rules definition, he was not even with the 911s door, and so the 911 did not have to give him racing room. The 944 should have been under enough control of his car to avoid contact.

PMS993

Jackie;

Last time I brought my car to a DE, I don't think the other drivers were waving me by using all fingers up in the air. LOL

as for the incident...

You know, the discussions with the offcials after events like these are based on judgement using a 1.5 inch screen on a video camera and what the corner workers say they saw. Once the first judgement has been made, there is no turning back. I guess I should be thankful for a system that weeds out the drivers in over their heads but at the same time, I hate that I'm now lumped in that category. I take some solace in the fact that nearly all the NASCAR drivers would be 13/13'd out each year. Some consolation.

As for the 911 vs. 914 incident, passing while racing is a two party event. Each driver shares in a responsibility of knowing where everybody is and making a good decision based on that. In the video, the 944 makes a poor choice on trying to pass. He doesn't out brake the 911 and is not overlapped enough to have possession of the turn. On the other hand, the 911 driver needs to be realistic enought to know where the 944 is and yes, maybe give a little room. Lots of things happen real fast and that thinking process comes with experience. I dare say that this experience will make both these drivers think more in the future.

Veloce Raptor

BINGO

dave morris

BINGO

cooleyjb

bingo???

I just wanted to conform

I've only had the pleasure of seeing a 13/13 ruling happen once in person. I was in the control room at Road America. They have a pretty nice Closed Circuit system that monitors the entire track all the time. It's defnitely pretty nice because instead of looking at a lcd screen on the back of a video camera you have external footage on a 27" screen. The case I saw was very obvious driver error reentering a hot track but grey areas always exist and without the closed circuit camera it would have been corner worker/driver he said she said.

Veloce Raptor

All true. However, I would wager that the 911 drover was confident in the predictability of the 944 drover, and fully expected the latter to brake harder when it became apparent that the 911 would control the corner. I doubt there was time to give any room when it then became apparent that the 944 drover had already run out of talent.

That is why the 944 drover shoul dhave received the 13, and the 911 drover should have received an offer of help with repairs.

In an ideal world...

multi21

I just spoke with Whine Pablo Montoya who felt that the 944 had proper position and that Kimi,..........er, the 911 was completely out of line for being on line and not conceding the corner.

Bull

Bingo! Makes absolutely no sense!

usenduro

USERA Spec 9 Championship (www.usenduro.com) is a sprint race series offering two race groups and double sprint races each weekend. Group A is for showroom stock 2000-2007 911s (basically built to rules compatible with Grand-Am GS cars). Group B is for 996-based GT3 Cup cars.

We have a good schedule in place for 2007, including racing on Grand-Am weekends at Iowa Speedway, Watkins Glen and Mid-Ohio. The full schedule can be found on the website.

Our season opener is March 24-25 at Carolina Motorsports Park.

Moving Chicane

Larry Herman

I think that, at least on the surface, NASA has a better system with their modified 13/13, which gives some leniency to one car incidents and indeterminant racing accidents.

dave morris

So, where'd you go Mike ... what's the answer ... or do we re-convene tomorrow sometime?

Jim Child

In NASA GTS a one car incident will not result in a 13/13. You pretty much have to make a bone headed move that results in car to car contact to earn a 13. And despite the name, the lenght of probation can be anywhere from 4 to 13 months based on the severity of the boneheaded move. I think NASA GTS's system is far superior to PCA's.

John H

+1. Jim would know being on the victim end of at least one boneheaded move this past season.

I got put on probation for sliding off in the ran into a tire wall in qualifying. I only hurt myself as no one else was anywhere near me. I could have taken out ten cars and got the same penalty in PCA. Thus my initial interest in NASA. Now that I have run with them, I'll likely do 5-6 weekends with NASA and 2 with PCA.

Mark in Baltimore

This is a good reason for PCA to seriously consider amending the 13/13 rule, as they are not the only game in town for where racers can spend their money.