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dgrobs

Huh? What does a Triple Crown winner have to do with this?

thebishman

Neville ****ing Chamberlin. What a tool!

Great symbolism for the time we live in both on a Micro and Macro level though!

Go get ‘em, Todd!

Nowanker

Well...
Todd is being rode hard.

dgrobs

Wow. Well done ******.
Didn’t think anyone would pick up on that. Very obscure, I would have thought the analogy was too far out there to get picked up, but damn, well done. I was thinking “getting ridden” as opposed to “rode hard”, but you nailed it. Impressive.

He is being rode hard AND ridden hard for sure.

Poor Todd…

ProCoach

Smart crowd!

R717

A few points here, 1. Acquiescing by providing "data" (which is not defined - three nights? Five nights? Thirty consecutive nights two years ago? Every night since your initial sleep study 18 years ago?) invalidates the principle of the entire matter, it also diminishes any urgency or purpose driving a resolution and as necessary, a change in structure, bylaws, or leadership. I know you understand this, but the data isn't the issue, it's allowing tyrants (let's call them what they are) to make and perpetuate untenable proclamations and mandates on the plebians. 2. I understand you're trying to make a point about "racers aren't SO upset about this that they will penalize themselves by skipping/boycotting PCA races." Although to my knowledge, your claim is not untrue, I personally know of a few individuals who have recently (as in the past three years) left PCA racing as a direct result of the policy in question. Although Todd hasn't pointed it out, there have been inconsistencies in the application of the policy in question. As pointed out earlier in this thread, the folks I'm referring to just went elsewhere. The real unfortunate result of this is it adds more individuals and anecdotes to the ranks of people who demean PCA and its membership.

R717

How many days has it been?

dgrobs

Yes, while a few have left over the last few years, none have left since THIS began. I purposely repeated the phrase “On Todds’ Behalf” for a reason. Who has left PCA Club Racing because this is happening to Todd? I tried to make that as clear as I could without repeating it a 3rd time.
The fight is a noble one for sure. It’s still a fight that Todd is fighting alone right now. A fight he is losing as it stands today. No one is walking away from Club Racing because of Todd. He wouldn’t want that anyway. He said that.
He can race right now and take this fight up with a bunch of his track family (including myself) at a different time. Todd is still not racing with PCA, the group he loves to race with most, or at least did. That’s where his friends are. He’s been doing this a long long time, and not just racing.
His efforts would be better justified and much more productive by getting a group of these friends together and take the fight to PCA, not the other way around. And make no mistake, Todd can be racing with PCA right now while making plans to fight this on another level. While it’s noble to be a martyr, martyrs are still the ones that die. Why go about it that way. He can race and fight them at the same time. The current route is accomplishing nothing except for keeping him from racing with the people he wants to race with most.
I will see him Sunday Monday and Tuesday this week, and I’m sure we will break bread and toss a few back together, and talk, and maybe, just maybe, I will better understand his thinking in person. Im Glad he’s at least still driving and hanging with his CVR friends, so there’s that.

Matt Romanowski

Todd is fighting for all PCA members. I've had people tell me since similar stories to his with the medical committee. And there are lots of stories that are similar with other parts of PCA. I have made my best friends through PCA, but I think Todd is 100% right in this and in his fight.

Estoril

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RossP

I think what's more likely going on is people deciding not to START racing with PCA because of situations like this. If you are already racing with PCA, part of the "in" crowd etc. this might not have any impact on you. But if you are deciding where to go racing and looking at all options....things like this dont paint a positive picture of the PCA racing experience. Assuming the comments around dwindling PCA CR attendance are true, this is a logical conclusion. Ill say it again for the people in the back........the market for racing series at this level is a competitive market. There are only a finite number of people out there who have the means (financial, time, etc) to pursue it. Some series clearly understand this and some dont.

dgrobs

Truth

dgrobs

Yes, Todd is right. No one is questioning that.
My point is the means, not the ends.
No question Todd is in the right. No question The Medical Committee is in the wrong.
What I am questioning is the method and the means. There’s a better way to do this that allows him to still race.
Of course I realize that he is fighting for all PCA members. Hell, he’s fighting for me and you and everyone who may be hurt down the road by how the medical committee operates. I understand that.
I also realize that the only one being hurt by Todds’ fight right now is Todd.
I am not questioning his ends. Those are noble and they are needed.
I am questioning the means.
When you cut off your nose to spite your face, both suffer….

Manifold

You and I have a similar view on this.

There are many causes worth fighting for in the world, and this particular injustice wouldn't be my hill to die on. PCA is just a car club, it's not a business, it's not a government agency, it's just an avenue for people who own or like Porsches to socialize. It's a big enough club that it needs an organizational structure to manage the social activities which it organizes. The people who fill roles in the organizational structure are generally volunteers, and there's no rigorous interview or voting process by which they become selected for their positions. Inevitably, there are plenty of instances where members of the club are mistreated by people in leadership positions, and some people stop attending events because of that. But let's be honest: overall, the club operates pretty well, there's plenty of attendance at events, and members generally enjoy their experience attending events. The club is not in need of massive reform. And disbanding the medical committee and replacing some leaders in the club isn't a massive reform anyway, it's just an adjustment.

So I think the practical thing to do here is just give them some data that they've asked for, even if the request for the data makes no sense. Then PCA can check their boxes and say that they prevailed in this conflict and can restore Luigi's license, and Luigi can get back to racing and hanging out with his racing friends. And no, giving PCA the data isn't a slippery slope, PCA isn't going to keep asking for more and more things. Because of this thread and the aggravation they're experiencing, these PCA leaders want this conflict to end as much as anyone, and they'll be less likely to pick fights with members like this again. In that sense, even if Luigi gives them the data, he will have won.