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07-03-2019, 02:06 PM
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They would have been forced to stop for tires if aero was that much more compromised. Increased sliding the car would have ruined the tires much earlier. The track is also not ideal for sustained downforce turns like a typical F1 circuit. i have driven on Nurburgring F1 track and it's almost boring in a GT car . Lewis could easily have ducked in for a pit stop at the end to get "fast lap" if they felt the engine had the pace, but obviously it did not. I don't think Mr. Multi-tool knows what lift and coast is unless . Racing road coarses in the heat teaches you how to manage engine temps and tire wear in longer races. Even a 40min sprint race can be challenge with tire and temp in the summer months.
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07-03-2019, 02:21 PM
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I have acknowledged that already. What you are failing to acknowledge or refuse to understand is that Mercedes did not open their car up too much impacting their downforce or performance. It was the opposite. They gambled on how much they could open it up while maintaining aero and cooling their engines. They calculated wrong which meant driving to timed laps, turning the motor down and lifitng and coasting every lap. They needed to open the car MORE, sacrifice more aero to actually cool the car so they could turn the motor up and cool their brakes... That was the underlying issue.
We are close here Multi, I've acknowledged what you are talking about with in terms of aero impacting performance, you've stopped the insults, we're just missing on which part of the aero was Mercedes problem... Had "Loss of Aero or downforce or drag" been the issue they would have said it. What they have said consistently and Bottas acknowledged was they calculated all of this, including how much aero to sacrifice and got it wrong. They also didn't correctly factor how much lift and coast would cost them. They needed more bodywork off the car, even if it meant sacrificing more aero so they could cool their brakes and use their powerplant... You are 100% correct it is a balance and everything has impact, I am saying they got it wrong on the opposite side of the equation to you.
We almost good now?
We are close here Multi, I've acknowledged what you are talking about with in terms of aero impacting performance, you've stopped the insults, we're just missing on which part of the aero was Mercedes problem... Had "Loss of Aero or downforce or drag" been the issue they would have said it. What they have said consistently and Bottas acknowledged was they calculated all of this, including how much aero to sacrifice and got it wrong. They also didn't correctly factor how much lift and coast would cost them. They needed more bodywork off the car, even if it meant sacrificing more aero so they could cool their brakes and use their powerplant... You are 100% correct it is a balance and everything has impact, I am saying they got it wrong on the opposite side of the equation to you.
We almost good now?
07-03-2019, 02:21 PM
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If Mercedes' efforts to increase cooling had been successful, it very well be the case that the resulting aero hit they took for doing so would not have prevented them from winning the race.
The PRIMARY reported cause of Merc's pace was their being forced to turn down the engine and to lift and coast.
The aero hit they took from adding cooling didn't help but alone would likely not have kept them from being competitive.
The PRIMARY reported cause of Merc's pace was their being forced to turn down the engine and to lift and coast.
The aero hit they took from adding cooling didn't help but alone would likely not have kept them from being competitive.
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07-03-2019, 06:27 PM
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What I find interesting is that Mercedes, with their proven engineering resources and expertise, can still sometimes get it wrong enough that they're rendered unable to win. That tells me that, despite the sophistication of their models and testing, there's still a good bit of judgment involved in their engineering decisions.
07-04-2019, 12:01 AM
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What I find interesting is that Mercedes, with their proven engineering resources and expertise, can still sometimes get it wrong enough that they're rendered unable to win. That tells me that, despite the sophistication of their models and testing, there's still a good bit of judgment involved in their engineering decisions.
The fact that Mercedes finished P3 & P5 in spite of having to lift & coast as much as they had to on each lap, is a testament to the massive gap in development between the top 3 teams and the rest of the field. This is why there is a constructors championship...car technology is critical/huge in F1.
07-05-2019, 09:47 AM
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Exciting rumor this morning from down under linking Ricciardo to a possible Ferrari move for next year... Too bad he would inevitably be a # 2 to Charles, no different than to Max at RB but it would be great to see him in Red. Apparently the other prospect is Bottas if Mercedes drop him for Ocon but out of the two I would want DR. Ferrari on the other hand probably view Bottas like another Kimi, much more willing to play second fiddle...
Interesting rumor.
Interesting rumor.
07-05-2019, 11:36 AM
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There's lots of rumors flying around. Once one driver makes a move, it's going to be musical chairs.
I saw that Vettel may return to Red Bull, replacing the struggling Gasley. He's been hanging around the Red Bull garage a lot lately. Personally I don't see that happening. I don't think he would mix well with Max.
They also have Ocon heading to Renault since he is French taking either Ricardio's seat if he leaves or displacing Hulkenburg. They also mentioned a possible move to Haas to replace Grosjean since he only has 2 points compared to Magnussen's 14. Ocon has been rumored also to go to Racing Point to replace the aging Perez. The good news is that Ocon looks to return, somewhere.
And the big rumor is that Alonso may come back! But never with McLaren because of his past with putting down Honda. McLaren have stated they're set with Saint and Norris.
Silly isn't it?
I saw that Vettel may return to Red Bull, replacing the struggling Gasley. He's been hanging around the Red Bull garage a lot lately. Personally I don't see that happening. I don't think he would mix well with Max.
They also have Ocon heading to Renault since he is French taking either Ricardio's seat if he leaves or displacing Hulkenburg. They also mentioned a possible move to Haas to replace Grosjean since he only has 2 points compared to Magnussen's 14. Ocon has been rumored also to go to Racing Point to replace the aging Perez. The good news is that Ocon looks to return, somewhere.
And the big rumor is that Alonso may come back! But never with McLaren because of his past with putting down Honda. McLaren have stated they're set with Saint and Norris.
Silly isn't it?
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07-05-2019, 11:36 AM
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07-05-2019, 11:44 AM
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Oh, and that's if Bottas stays at Mercedes. He is only signed for this year. If he doesn't perform, he's out and Ocon stays at Mercedes.
Kubica is certainly out of Williams. He may not make the season. Expect something soon.
Kubica is certainly out of Williams. He may not make the season. Expect something soon.
07-05-2019, 11:52 AM
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Kubica absolutely out.
Red Bull already said Gasly needs a CTRL-ALT-DEL.
Stroll is lucky his dad owns the team,
I feel bad for George Russel and Norris really impresses me...
I thought Red Bull would call up Kvyat before bringing Seb back alongside Max but who knows!
07-05-2019, 12:38 PM
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I'd like to see Fernando and Max both in the Red Bull. Let's see who's really better.
07-05-2019, 01:06 PM
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I would be surprised if Bottas and Gasly keep their seats. They are the two most under-performing drivers compared to their teammates.
I heard a rumor Maldanado was up for the Ferrari seat. Just a rumor.
I heard a rumor Maldanado was up for the Ferrari seat. Just a rumor.
07-05-2019, 01:33 PM
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is Toto still managing Ocon? Do they let him go to another manufacturer?
Kubica absolutely out.
Red Bull already said Gasly needs a CTRL-ALT-DEL.
Stroll is lucky his dad owns the team,
I feel bad for George Russel and Norris really impresses me...
I thought Red Bull would call up Kvyat before bringing Seb back alongside Max but who knows!
Kubica absolutely out.
Red Bull already said Gasly needs a CTRL-ALT-DEL.
Stroll is lucky his dad owns the team,
I feel bad for George Russel and Norris really impresses me...
I thought Red Bull would call up Kvyat before bringing Seb back alongside Max but who knows!
07-05-2019, 01:48 PM
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