TXE36

Yeah, .

How did this turn into effectively a "shuffle steering" thread? I appreciate the initial comments on hand position and will take them into consideration. Generally, we could all use a little advice here and there.

However, what I'd really like is more discussion about the initial post. I was at TWS again yesterday and I'm more convinced than ever this is a big revelation for me. As I stated, I've known about the importance of vision for a very long time - for some reason I just never connected it with car control which I'm considering as distinct from having the car on the right line/smoothness etc... I can't say I've read much about it either, although I would not consider myself a voracious reader.

I think my feelings on this are unique to me in the sense of the lack of sensitivity in my butt gyro - the visual aspect helps me. I can see someone with a very finely calibrated butt not needing this for car control but I'm guessing there are others out there similar to me.

I went to the track to have fun and learn how to drive a car fast - I had no idea how much I would learn about me.

-Mike

Jabs1542

I agree... and back to the OP

I noticed the same thing when I started focusing further down the track, I could sense the car MUCH better. The way I wrapped my head around this was similar to focusing on the horizon while on a sailboat, something about visual stability over the distance made it easier to notice (maybe feel?) the car at a micro level 'at the moment'.

My big take away was to ALWAYS focus way down range where I want to go whenever the rear end decides it wants to lead the dance. I was amazed at how quickly the drama dropped and I then found myself thinking about the next move. Good stuff...

DTMiller

I got a very different but very real demonstration of this with a student last weekend. He really struggled with keeping his traction control from coming on and we did lots of stuff to minimize it but the single biggest "trick" was pushing his vision further and further down track. The better he did with that, the less the light flashed.

Was a really powerful demonstration for me. I might spend a full day this weekend just pushing my own vision out and up just as a drill.

Veloce Raptor

+1 to all the above points

1990nein

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TXE36

Wut? I'm not sure you are referring to me, as you quoted yourself when talking about your "schit". My post was mine, and mine alone. Still, it is great to get external confirmation.

I completely disagree about your comments on instructors, coaches, and data. I am a professional scientist, and data is really the only way to judge objectively. While there are many ways to use the "force" when driving (as stated in my OP), the final arbiter is "is it faster?"

Data is good for other things too. My mind says I'm on the gas here. Data says, not really, you weren't on it until way over there. I know my mind gets bent at speed - that's why I collect data, run video, and take opportunities to ride with others and have others ride with me.

That said, I don't think there is any way to excel in this sport without cooperating with the mind - one with the mid, one with the car.

-Mike

DTMiller

Mike,

After reading a few months of posts, I have concluded that PKF believes, it appears, at least to me, that he invented common concepts relevant to performance driving and it apparently irks him that he doesn't get enough credit when those concepts (a.k.a. "his schit") are repeated.

With him and our resident expert on all things things here in this same thread, things could be amazing. Unfortunately, this is a great thread idea and there are lots of useful contributors who could contribute but won't because of where this inevitably has to head.

-DTM

p.s. I'm sorry you're losing TWS. Summit Point is "home" to me and it would be super weird if it suddenly was gone.

1990nein

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Veloce Raptor

Holy smokes
Somebody sure is a narcissist...

What incorrect ideas were put forward on page 1?

1990nein

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mglobe

Mr Fast, please tell us about your driving experience. What and where do you drive? How is your car prepped? How long have you been at it? Under what sanctioning bodies have your raced, and in what class?

Right now all we've seen are some videos of pretty sketchy driving, which you admit is not optimal. It would help your credibility if we had some more info.

Veloce Raptor

Why is this incorrect? In serious track driving this is the way it is.

1990nein

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Veloce Raptor

I don't think those videos show what you think they show, especially considering that hairpin is probably the sharpest corner in F1.

But you're entitled to your opinion.

1990nein

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