Vision and Car Control
08-24-2017, 12:08 PM
#166
Drifting
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I'm old enough to remember the big thing about the Big Wheel was that you could spin it. I also remember being bummed out that my Big Wheel didn't come with the "Parking Brake" that made spins easier.
-Mike
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08-24-2017, 12:36 PM
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08-24-2017, 01:20 PM
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08-24-2017, 02:55 PM
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08-25-2017, 10:41 AM
#176
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when i race my road bike, there is so much going on, i try to focus on just 3 things. that's all my brain can digest. breathing, cadence, eyes up.
when I'm racing or qualifying, i have to actually keep yelling at myself to get my eyes up, get them forward, look as far forward as possible with quick microscans back towards the nose of the car. if its a tight left hander, and i have to move my entire body to see out and past the A pillar, whatever it takes, i strain and struggle to try to look as far up. once you start doing that, PLUS, u get the seat time to be able to feel the shift and movement of the car, tires, suspension, roll bar, compression and rebound, it all starts to come together. and you can also start to anticipate the slide, whats going to happen. it just takes some time, and you hit the nail on the head, getting your head up. imagine walking around staring at your feet.
good job, nice driving. great sport.
when I'm racing or qualifying, i have to actually keep yelling at myself to get my eyes up, get them forward, look as far forward as possible with quick microscans back towards the nose of the car. if its a tight left hander, and i have to move my entire body to see out and past the A pillar, whatever it takes, i strain and struggle to try to look as far up. once you start doing that, PLUS, u get the seat time to be able to feel the shift and movement of the car, tires, suspension, roll bar, compression and rebound, it all starts to come together. and you can also start to anticipate the slide, whats going to happen. it just takes some time, and you hit the nail on the head, getting your head up. imagine walking around staring at your feet.
good job, nice driving. great sport.
Yeah, 
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How did this turn into effectively a "shuffle steering" thread? I appreciate the initial comments on hand position and will take them into consideration. Generally, we could all use a little advice here and there.
However, what I'd really like is more discussion about the initial post. I was at TWS again yesterday and I'm more convinced than ever this is a big revelation for me. As I stated, I've known about the importance of vision for a very long time - for some reason I just never connected it with car control which I'm considering as distinct from having the car on the right line/smoothness etc... I can't say I've read much about it either, although I would not consider myself a voracious reader.
I think my feelings on this are unique to me in the sense of the lack of sensitivity in my butt gyro - the visual aspect helps me. I can see someone with a very finely calibrated butt not needing this for car control but I'm guessing there are others out there similar to me.
I went to the track to have fun and learn how to drive a car fast - I had no idea how much I would learn about me.
-Mike
.How did this turn into effectively a "shuffle steering" thread? I appreciate the initial comments on hand position and will take them into consideration. Generally, we could all use a little advice here and there.
However, what I'd really like is more discussion about the initial post. I was at TWS again yesterday and I'm more convinced than ever this is a big revelation for me. As I stated, I've known about the importance of vision for a very long time - for some reason I just never connected it with car control which I'm considering as distinct from having the car on the right line/smoothness etc... I can't say I've read much about it either, although I would not consider myself a voracious reader.
I think my feelings on this are unique to me in the sense of the lack of sensitivity in my butt gyro - the visual aspect helps me. I can see someone with a very finely calibrated butt not needing this for car control but I'm guessing there are others out there similar to me.
I went to the track to have fun and learn how to drive a car fast - I had no idea how much I would learn about me.
-Mike
08-25-2017, 10:59 AM
#177
Three Wheelin'
TXE,
one more thing ill toss in...nothing to do with car control. you're matriculating to being a really strong driver. nice control getting smoother, committed to improvement. you might call me a prude, a safety nerd, but i never get in a fast car, where on the straight away you're pedal to the floor and bolting thru turns wthout a drivers suit, hans, helmet gloves. you could be driving top notch and something in the car snaps or breaks, someone else rolls and is dead center of the track as you come around a blind turn, like all those turns at NYST super track..<G>... just so much can go wrong and if you want to be serious, dress to survive. you will only get faster and faster and get more to the 10/10ths limit, and beyond. and even for the best, stuff can go wrong. i doubt any person here with extensive driving experience hasn't either had a bang bang or many code brown situations whether self induced, induced by others, or just some track situation.
every time i see dudes hauling really nice with no gloves, shorts, etc. i cringe. dress for success. if the crowd around you cant respect your desire to go fast and be ultra-safe, find a different crowd.
..just my two cents. great driving!
one more thing ill toss in...nothing to do with car control. you're matriculating to being a really strong driver. nice control getting smoother, committed to improvement. you might call me a prude, a safety nerd, but i never get in a fast car, where on the straight away you're pedal to the floor and bolting thru turns wthout a drivers suit, hans, helmet gloves. you could be driving top notch and something in the car snaps or breaks, someone else rolls and is dead center of the track as you come around a blind turn, like all those turns at NYST super track..<G>... just so much can go wrong and if you want to be serious, dress to survive. you will only get faster and faster and get more to the 10/10ths limit, and beyond. and even for the best, stuff can go wrong. i doubt any person here with extensive driving experience hasn't either had a bang bang or many code brown situations whether self induced, induced by others, or just some track situation.
every time i see dudes hauling really nice with no gloves, shorts, etc. i cringe. dress for success. if the crowd around you cant respect your desire to go fast and be ultra-safe, find a different crowd.
..just my two cents. great driving!