F40-r

Many argue that the CGT isn’t a Hypercar, what do you guys say?

Sterling Sackey

I tend not to think about the distinction when I'm behind the wheel, only how much I'm enjoying the car.

unotaz

What is the definition of a hypercar? If Enzo is not considered as a hypercar, then yes, the CGT is not a hypercar. The Enzo, CGT and the SLR were the holy trinity of its days.

Horsepower goes up with each generation, so I don't think one should use horsepower as the only barometer to judge a car. I personally think the F50 is a hypercar.

go-ran

^Hypercar or supercar?

jimmyrepasi

Hypercar = Hybrid supercar..... Hy-percar

nuvolari612

True but hyper is unusually energetic insert car and the CGT would be the poster child.

Hand the keys to 99.99% at C&C - expect a glazed clutch and short walk to retrieve the F1 V10.

As far as mechanics - how many out of 1000 could successfully work on one

bbs993tt

Showing my lack of intelligence but I never put that ^^^^ together. I just thought hyper was the next level above super.

mooty

hyper car or not
it's just a meaningless label
if you like it great
I call my POS that I thrash all the time
but I do have fun with it

nuvolari612

A good read - interesting to note the success of the Cayenne brought the F1 Le Mans V10 back to life.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/porsc...b06cd2bd03db78

928cs

I advise to buy this issue of 000 Magazine:
https://www.000magazine.com/shop/007

It contains the best "article" ever wrote about the 9R3, I think. A car that I would have loved to see in action at le Mans

Sterling Sackey

Nice article but not strictly true (as with many of the details in the article) - Cayenne production started in Leipzig in August 2002, and Carrera GT production started in the same facility about 1 year later, in September 2003. They did not develop the entire car in 1 year due to Cayenne sales success - the Carrera GT idea was born, rather, as a result of the LMP1 program being cancelled. Engineers turned their attention towards a roadgoing supercar instead, and Porsche boss Wendelin Wedeking stipulated that an "existing engine" be used to keep costs down, hence the engineers' rather cheeky move of using the racing V10 (as opposed to a variant of the 911's flat-6). Development of the car as a whole was more than 4 years, as Walter Rohrl himself has said that his 4 years of development work on that car was the highlight of his career at Porsche up to that time.

For those who are interested in more Carrera GT info like this, feel free to check out my thread on FerrariChat which details a lot of history on the car: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/th...era-gt.568237/

While we are on the topic, see below image of Carrera GT production at the Leipzig plant, a stone's throw away from the Cayenne line!

Sterling Sackey

Side note, Porsche boss Wendelin Wedeking's bean-counting during Porsche's cash-strapped days of the early 2000's may be the reason our favorite car has a 6-speed manual transmission unlike its competitors.

The Carrera GT was actually intended by engineers to receive a PDK, but the transmission was said to be "not ready in time" during the launch of the car. In my mind, it's more likely that Wedeking wasn't ready to spend the type of money necessary to develop it, and thus the team went for the low-tech solution of a standard manual transmission.

Lucky us!

unotaz

Exactly. Wedekin is known to cut costs everywhere. That's why you see a whole lot of 996 parts in the CGT.

raclaims

I had an early Cayenne and it sucked...soooooo...the CGT was the better side of the floor!

nuvolari612

I don't know what is not true as I was not at the table but pretty sure without the Cayenne there would be no CGT capacity / funds.

Article - The project was canceled after two days of testing for the first car, in mid-1999, mostly due to Porsche's wish to build the Cayenne SUV with involvement from Volkswagen and Audi, thus requiring engineering expertise to be pulled from the motorsports division. It was also speculated that VW-Audi chairman Ferdinand Piëch wanted Audi's new Le Mans Prototype, the Audi R8 not to face competition from Porsche in 2004. Porsche did keep part of the project alive by using the 5.5 L V10 from the prototype in a concept car shown at the 2000 Paris Motor Show, mainly in an attempt to draw attention to their display. Surprising interest in the vehicle and an influx of revenue provided from the Cayenne helped Porsche decide to produce the car, and development started on a road-legal version that would be produced in small numbers at Porsche's new manufacturing facility in Leipzig.

Carbon fiber monocoque and subframe was provided by ATR of Italy which I believe also built the F50 which speaks volumes.