Panamera 4 E-hybrid Owners Thread
10-28-2019, 12:40 PM
#2011
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Random question...when you're about to exit the car and turn off the key, the music stays on until I open the drivers door, at which point the music stops. Is there a way to have the music turn off when I turn off the ignition (and before I open the door)?
10-28-2019, 12:53 PM
#2012
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Not sure if there is a setting for this, but I would suggest a simple pressing of the Mute button on the left side of the steering wheel would do the trick.
Update. My Bad..... after posting, I tried the mute button after the key was turned off and the radio did not mute. Apparently the mute button is not functional with the key off. Sorry.
Update. My Bad..... after posting, I tried the mute button after the key was turned off and the radio did not mute. Apparently the mute button is not functional with the key off. Sorry.
Last edited by Pana TJ; 10-29-2019 at 05:40 PM. Reason: Idea didn't work
11-04-2019, 02:46 AM
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Facelift Panamera (2020)
Hey guys, in the last weeks I read all posts of this thread because I am planning to get a new Panamera ST 4e Hybrid soon (first time Porsche buyer coming from a Skoda Octacia VRS). Actually my config was already finished when I read stuff about an upcoming facelift for the Panamera in 2020. As I do not want to buy such an expensive car just to see a new model coming 2-3 months after I got mine I wanted to ask if anyone of you guys have heard something? My Porsche sales rep here in Austria is not really helpful as he just keeps saying that they are the last ones to get updates about facelifts as they would not be able to sell honestly in his opinion....
Thank you for all opinions
Thank you for all opinions
11-04-2019, 11:48 AM
#2014
Servus 
the big changes happen over summer when the factory changes the model year. It seems that July/August is the cut-off date. So if a facelift is going to come, then only as of a production September 2020.
the big changes happen over summer when the factory changes the model year. It seems that July/August is the cut-off date. So if a facelift is going to come, then only as of a production September 2020.
11-04-2019, 02:55 PM
#2015
Honestly the changes seem very subtle and from what's been exposed of the rear-end, I seem to prefer the version I have now 18 hybrid. I would take a look and ask your dealer what they know about the updates and make a decision.
11-04-2019, 04:50 PM
#2016
Burning Brakes
As mentioned above subtle styling changes inside and outside but not dramatic (the big money was spent on the Taycan and 992 debuts) Maybe upgrade to PCM 5.0 as in the new Cayenne but not a huge differences. I was in the same situation as you are; wait for the refresh or try an get the best price on a current car. The only thing I really cared about was the rumors about the hybrid battery increasing in size. I doubt it will happen. I think the rumors were an increase from 14kw to 21k-24kw battery.
11-04-2019, 05:04 PM
#2017
Burning Brakes
Oliver Blume indicated in an Australian interview last February that the Porsche PHEV battery-pack capacity would be increased by about 25%-30% next year, meaning from 14 to 17.3 kWh (a specific figure that has been reported by Autogefuehl on YouTube for the Audi PHEV for 2020). This should increase the all-electric range from 20-25 miles (US) to about 23-30 miles in real-world driving.
11-04-2019, 05:45 PM
#2018
Burning Brakes
Oliver Blume indicated in an Australian interview last February that the Porsche PHEV battery-pack capacity would be increased by about 25%-30% next year, meaning from 14 to 17.3 kWh (a specific figure that has been reported by Autogefuehl on YouTube for the Audi PHEV for 2020). This should increase the all-electric range from 20-25 miles (US) to about 23-30 miles in real-world driving.
11-04-2019, 08:24 PM
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Oliver Blume indicated in an Australian interview last February that the Porsche PHEV battery-pack capacity would be increased by about 25%-30% next year, meaning from 14 to 17.3 kWh (a specific figure that has been reported by Autogefuehl on YouTube for the Audi PHEV for 2020). This should increase the all-electric range from 20-25 miles (US) to about 23-30 miles in real-world driving.
11-05-2019, 04:44 AM
#2020
Racer
Use any minor changes as leverage to get a better price on the outgoing model.
My Panamera went completely apes**t on Saturday. It was extremely wet with a lot of water being kicked up on the road. The fans started to change speed all by themselves going up to full speed and the heating to "Hi" temperature. None of the centre console controls worked nor would the saved memory buttons on the door. The smart headlights went into dumb mode and the recuperative braking and gearchange became very jerky. The battery cooling fan came on, with a loud whining noise. The rear doors would not unlock and had to be opened from the inside. A number of turn off's of the main power control seemed to improve matters somewhat but it was not until I did a factory reset on the PCM (retaining personal settings) that everything started to behave properly again. I have also had on two separate occasions recently, the warning come up on the right hand info dial, that E power was not available (the traction battery was nearly full on both occasions) and the engine needed service as soon as possible, even though it has just been serviced. Again this cleared with a switch off and on again.
Given all the foregoing, it is obvious all is not well in the software/firmware/hardware electronic suite of the car and it is going back to the dealer later this month for further investigations.
Wilson
My Panamera went completely apes**t on Saturday. It was extremely wet with a lot of water being kicked up on the road. The fans started to change speed all by themselves going up to full speed and the heating to "Hi" temperature. None of the centre console controls worked nor would the saved memory buttons on the door. The smart headlights went into dumb mode and the recuperative braking and gearchange became very jerky. The battery cooling fan came on, with a loud whining noise. The rear doors would not unlock and had to be opened from the inside. A number of turn off's of the main power control seemed to improve matters somewhat but it was not until I did a factory reset on the PCM (retaining personal settings) that everything started to behave properly again. I have also had on two separate occasions recently, the warning come up on the right hand info dial, that E power was not available (the traction battery was nearly full on both occasions) and the engine needed service as soon as possible, even though it has just been serviced. Again this cleared with a switch off and on again.
Given all the foregoing, it is obvious all is not well in the software/firmware/hardware electronic suite of the car and it is going back to the dealer later this month for further investigations.
Wilson
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11-06-2019, 04:19 PM
#2021
Instructor
Use any minor changes as leverage to get a better price on the outgoing model.
My Panamera went completely apes**t on Saturday. It was extremely wet with a lot of water being kicked up on the road. The fans started to change speed all by themselves going up to full speed and the heating to "Hi" temperature. None of the centre console controls worked nor would the saved memory buttons on the door. The smart headlights went into dumb mode and the recuperative braking and gearchange became very jerky. The battery cooling fan came on, with a loud whining noise. The rear doors would not unlock and had to be opened from the inside. A number of turn off's of the main power control seemed to improve matters somewhat but it was not until I did a factory reset on the PCM (retaining personal settings) that everything started to behave properly again. I have also had on two separate occasions recently, the warning come up on the right hand info dial, that E power was not available (the traction battery was nearly full on both occasions) and the engine needed service as soon as possible, even though it has just been serviced. Again this cleared with a switch off and on again.
Given all the foregoing, it is obvious all is not well in the software/firmware/hardware electronic suite of the car and it is going back to the dealer later this month for further investigations.
Wilson
My Panamera went completely apes**t on Saturday. It was extremely wet with a lot of water being kicked up on the road. The fans started to change speed all by themselves going up to full speed and the heating to "Hi" temperature. None of the centre console controls worked nor would the saved memory buttons on the door. The smart headlights went into dumb mode and the recuperative braking and gearchange became very jerky. The battery cooling fan came on, with a loud whining noise. The rear doors would not unlock and had to be opened from the inside. A number of turn off's of the main power control seemed to improve matters somewhat but it was not until I did a factory reset on the PCM (retaining personal settings) that everything started to behave properly again. I have also had on two separate occasions recently, the warning come up on the right hand info dial, that E power was not available (the traction battery was nearly full on both occasions) and the engine needed service as soon as possible, even though it has just been serviced. Again this cleared with a switch off and on again.
Given all the foregoing, it is obvious all is not well in the software/firmware/hardware electronic suite of the car and it is going back to the dealer later this month for further investigations.
Wilson
-- Mike
11-07-2019, 08:11 AM
#2022
Racer
I was just reading this: https://thenewstack.io/how-software-...an-just-a-car/ - Wow, I thought I had problems with my car. Good luck Wilson, please keep us up to date.
-- Mike
-- Mike
I added my "tuppence-worth" as a comment to that article on Porsche Software. I keep hoping to shame Porsche into some effective action but it seems like "water off a duck's back."
Wilson
11-07-2019, 02:58 PM
#2023
Instructor
Nice comments. I'm not sure which is worse, the software issues you have or the quality control ones that I have reported so far.
- Exterior passenger window glass scratched
- Headliner coming appart
- Paint chipping off inside of my black exhaust tips after less than 6 months of ownership
- Charge port door loose
For you, let's hope the "Windows 98" software update is better. :-)
-- Mike
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11-10-2019, 02:42 PM
#2024
I'm casually looking around at 2018 e-hybrids that are still on lots. One question: I see some cars that have flipped from "new" to "used" or "CPO" in the past few months, and carfax doesn't indicate that the vehicles have been registered or titled. These cars are being offered at steep discounts with just a few thousand miles on the odometer.
Is this a common practice - to transition to used or CPO status after so many loaner or test miles?
Also, in those cases, will the US federal tax credit still apply? My understanding is that the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin needs to be handed over in order for the tax credit to be valid, as only the first titled owner to take possession can claim the credit.
Is this a common practice - to transition to used or CPO status after so many loaner or test miles?
Also, in those cases, will the US federal tax credit still apply? My understanding is that the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin needs to be handed over in order for the tax credit to be valid, as only the first titled owner to take possession can claim the credit.
11-10-2019, 04:11 PM
#2025
Burning Brakes
I'm casually looking around at 2018 e-hybrids that are still on lots. One question: I see some cars that have flipped from "new" to "used" or "CPO" in the past few months, and carfax doesn't indicate that the vehicles have been registered or titled. These cars are being offered at steep discounts with just a few thousand miles on the odometer.
Is this a common practice - to transition to used or CPO status after so many loaner or test miles?
Also, in those cases, will the US federal tax credit still apply? My understanding is that the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin needs to be handed over in order for the tax credit to be valid, as only the first titled owner to take possession can claim the credit.
Is this a common practice - to transition to used or CPO status after so many loaner or test miles?
Also, in those cases, will the US federal tax credit still apply? My understanding is that the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin needs to be handed over in order for the tax credit to be valid, as only the first titled owner to take possession can claim the credit.