2017 Macan Turbo PP
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It's irrelevant at this point since the current preventative maintenance and/or repair from Porsche does not require pulling the engine. IE Someone looking to buy a used Macan today does not have to worry about whether they need to pay for the engine to be pulled or not.
Since its introduction in 2015 the Macan has been Porsche's top selling model. If there were major issues we would be seeing thousands of reports, but these reports do not exist because the Macan has proved to be a solid and reliable car.
If you want to know what widespread engine pulling actually is, look no further than the 2015-2016 GT3.
Since its introduction in 2015 the Macan has been Porsche's top selling model. If there were major issues we would be seeing thousands of reports, but these reports do not exist because the Macan has proved to be a solid and reliable car.
If you want to know what widespread engine pulling actually is, look no further than the 2015-2016 GT3.
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@Xattica be careful with what you choose to listen to. I've owned a 17 Turbo PP for three years and declined the extended warranty when I bought it. Love my Macan. Check out the links below for a different perspective.
On the issue of rarity, as you pointed out, within the sea of Macans out there, only some 340 arrived to the US. Does that make it special or collectable? Time will tell, but I don't think any Macan will. Is it worthwhile specifically looking for and buying a PP? I think so.
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...liability.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-warrenty.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...ates-slow.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/12...ty-thread.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-the-15-s.html
On the issue of rarity, as you pointed out, within the sea of Macans out there, only some 340 arrived to the US. Does that make it special or collectable? Time will tell, but I don't think any Macan will. Is it worthwhile specifically looking for and buying a PP? I think so.
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...liability.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-warrenty.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...ates-slow.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/12...ty-thread.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-the-15-s.html
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Xattica (08-08-2024)
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@Xattica be careful with what you choose to listen to. I've owned a 17 Turbo PP for three years and declined the extended warranty when I bought it. Love my Macan. Check out the links below for a different perspective.
On the issue of rarity, as you pointed out, within the sea of Macans out there, only some 340 arrived to the US. Does that make it special or collectable? Time will tell, but I don't think any Macan will. Is it worthwhile specifically looking for and buying a PP? I think so.
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...liability.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-warrenty.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...ates-slow.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/12...ty-thread.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-the-15-s.html
On the issue of rarity, as you pointed out, within the sea of Macans out there, only some 340 arrived to the US. Does that make it special or collectable? Time will tell, but I don't think any Macan will. Is it worthwhile specifically looking for and buying a PP? I think so.
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...liability.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-warrenty.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...ates-slow.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/12...ty-thread.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/macan/13...-the-15-s.html
@Carlo_Carrera OK -- three
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Come back after you've spent some time wallowing in the potential issues with the VWAG hot V engines. Spent a weekend with the VAG Technic youtube channel if you'd like a graduate course in how the Hot V engines fail. I don't think any of us should be feeling smug about having 4L Toyota 4runner level reliability. And, IMO there's zero evidence showing the Porsche 6s are better or worse than the Audi 6s. IMO the safest bet in terms of a reliable and durable engine in the Macans is probably the 2.0T. Again, guessing. But, the 3.0 hot-v and especially the 2.9TT hot-v engines are quite new in Macans relatively speaking and the wholesale lots are littered with older RS5s, RS4s, S4s with blown engines. Again, glass houses. FWIW my *actual* preference from a powertrain POV would be if Porsche would have grabbed the 3.0SC engine and the ZF8 automatic that was used in the b8.5 SQ5s. Rock solid, fast, punchy. That would actually be my perfect Macan
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...Spent a weekend with the VAG Technic youtube channel if you'd like a graduate course in how the Hot V engines fail. I don't think any of us should be feeling smug about having 4L Toyota 4runner level reliability. And, IMO there's zero evidence showing the Porsche 6s are better or worse than the Audi 6s. IMO the safest bet in terms of a reliable and durable engine in the Macans is probably the 2.0T. Again, guessing. But, the 3.0 hot-v and especially the 2.9TT hot-v engines are quite new in Macans relatively speaking...
Porsche V6 = Audi V6 = Volkswagen V6. They are the same engines with different tuning and adaptations for vehicle installation differences. The EA839 3.0T/2.9TT has been around since 2016, so almost 9 years in production. Far longer than the leaker 3.0/3.6TT cold vee. VAG continues with the EA839 in Volkswagen, Audi and Bentley applications so the engine is on its way to an impressive production lifecycle.
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I stand corrected, mea culpa. 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee and 3.0SCV6 cold vee are not variants of the same engine with different induction types.
In this thread there has been no VAG documentation provided to substantiate technical specifications or naming convention for the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee.
Non-VAG and therefore not credible sources refer to Mxx naming convention for the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee. VAG documentation is given below for the EA837 3.0SCV6 cold vee and EA839 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee engines.
In summary: avoid the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee engine like the plague. The EA839 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee is proving itself to be robust.
3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee and 3.0SCV6 cold vee use bedplate blocks. 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee use more robust deep skirt blocks.
In this thread there has been no VAG documentation provided to substantiate technical specifications or naming convention for the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee.
Non-VAG and therefore not credible sources refer to Mxx naming convention for the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee. VAG documentation is given below for the EA837 3.0SCV6 cold vee and EA839 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee engines.
In summary: avoid the 3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee engine like the plague. The EA839 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee is proving itself to be robust.
3.0/3.6TTV6 cold vee and 3.0SCV6 cold vee use bedplate blocks. 3.0T/2.9TTV6 hot vee use more robust deep skirt blocks.
but go on, find me a wrecked EA837 with the oil filter at the bottom.
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Last edited by chassis; 08-07-2024 at 07:01 PM.
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Thanks to all. So far my Porsches experiences have been excellent. I have an extremely good Indy Mech. This macan has been take care off so good, that the owner of the Indy wants it before me ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I already sold the Cayman. So I will need another daily.
I still reading reviews and forums. Other option is a C63s or upgrade the Land Rover LR3 for another 4x4 and by an old 911 Targa.
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I already sold the Cayman. So I will need another daily.
I still reading reviews and forums. Other option is a C63s or upgrade the Land Rover LR3 for another 4x4 and by an old 911 Targa.
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Thanks to all. So far my Porsches experiences have been excellent. I have an extremely good Indy Mech. This macan has been take care off so good, that the owner of the Indy wants it before me ![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I already sold the Cayman. So I will need another daily.
I still reading reviews and forums. Other option is a C63s or upgrade the Land Rover LR3 for another 4x4 and by an old 911 Targa.
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
I already sold the Cayman. So I will need another daily.
I still reading reviews and forums. Other option is a C63s or upgrade the Land Rover LR3 for another 4x4 and by an old 911 Targa.
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https://www.macanforum.com/threads/i...he-macan.4034/
As for the development of the 3.0-liter Porsche engine, DePetro says this began before the Volkswagen Group and Porsche came together. The engine may be a group engine and possibly be used by Audi, but Audi may also choose to utilize its own blocks for their upcoming turbo applications. Those details remain unknown to us at this time.