Is InnoDrive worth it?
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Is InnoDrive worth it?
Do any of you have experience with InnoDrive? Is it worth it? I don't care about the car lowering the speed when the speed limit changes. We do value traffic jam assist- but- as long as the adaptive cruise performed the stop-and-go functions in a traffic jam I also wouldn't care about it handling steering.
So for those who have tried it- would you say it's worth it? Below is the explanation from the configurator. Thanks
$960
Porsche InnoDrive with Active Lane Keeping
Once activated, Porsche InnoDrive supports and relieves the driver in the driving task by taking over the speed control and continuously intervening in the steering. The function reacts to detected speed limits, corners and traffic circles and adjusts the driving speed accordingly.
Porsche InnoDrive orients itself within the system limits to lane markings and keeps the vehicle centered in the lane through continuous steering interventions - even in traffic jam situations.
The features of Porsche InnoDrive are shown on request in a central 3D assistance screen in the instrument cluster.
Including Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Change Assist.
So for those who have tried it- would you say it's worth it? Below is the explanation from the configurator. Thanks
$960
Porsche InnoDrive with Active Lane Keeping
Once activated, Porsche InnoDrive supports and relieves the driver in the driving task by taking over the speed control and continuously intervening in the steering. The function reacts to detected speed limits, corners and traffic circles and adjusts the driving speed accordingly.
Porsche InnoDrive orients itself within the system limits to lane markings and keeps the vehicle centered in the lane through continuous steering interventions - even in traffic jam situations.
The features of Porsche InnoDrive are shown on request in a central 3D assistance screen in the instrument cluster.
Including Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Change Assist.
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Do any of you have experience with InnoDrive? Is it worth it? I don't care about the car lowering the speed when the speed limit changes. We do value traffic jam assist- but- as long as the adaptive cruise performed the stop-and-go functions in a traffic jam I also wouldn't care about it handling steering.
So for those who have tried it- would you say it's worth it? Below is the explanation from the configurator. Thanks
$960
Porsche InnoDrive with Active Lane Keeping
Once activated, Porsche InnoDrive supports and relieves the driver in the driving task by taking over the speed control and continuously intervening in the steering. The function reacts to detected speed limits, corners and traffic circles and adjusts the driving speed accordingly.
Porsche InnoDrive orients itself within the system limits to lane markings and keeps the vehicle centered in the lane through continuous steering interventions - even in traffic jam situations.
The features of Porsche InnoDrive are shown on request in a central 3D assistance screen in the instrument cluster.
Including Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Change Assist.
So for those who have tried it- would you say it's worth it? Below is the explanation from the configurator. Thanks
$960
Porsche InnoDrive with Active Lane Keeping
Once activated, Porsche InnoDrive supports and relieves the driver in the driving task by taking over the speed control and continuously intervening in the steering. The function reacts to detected speed limits, corners and traffic circles and adjusts the driving speed accordingly.
Porsche InnoDrive orients itself within the system limits to lane markings and keeps the vehicle centered in the lane through continuous steering interventions - even in traffic jam situations.
The features of Porsche InnoDrive are shown on request in a central 3D assistance screen in the instrument cluster.
Including Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Change Assist.
I own 3 "innodrive" Porsches - 2020 Taycan, 2021 Cayenne, 2022 911 - on all 3 I have innodrive disabled and only enable ACC and ALK
my main complaints with innodrive are:
- it aggressively matches speeds limits (up or down) - so it effectively brake checks who ever is following you if innodrive "feels" there is a reduction in speed limit (real or imagined) - when using innodrive I have almost been rear ended by other cars (not technically innodrive's fault) - and given that this can happen for "fake/imagined" speed limit changers I personally have decided it's unsafe to have it enabled
- it anticipates upcoming curves and adjust speed to match corning - it's quite conservative with it's cornering speeds and I was always "overriding" it with the accelerator pedal - so in the end I simply disabled it because of problem #1
- there are other lesser problems, but the two above make it useless for me personally
- FOMO
- some small hope for future updates making it better? (less than 1% chance in my opinion)
- guaranteed ACC/ALK support/sensors - car will have best sensors/cameras and other electronics required for innodrive
- but mostly FOMO
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Long video. But he and his folks are great - best EV coverage I know of. His detailed review of the Macan EV is excellent.
Never had a Porsche with this function (although I specced it on my Macan EV). The system looks like garbage. Seems worse than the basic HDA system in my Kia (which does a decent job). I hope that Porsche improves it via OTA updates. FWIW - what he's calling "drunk driving" we used to call "ping-ponging" in the early days of Tesla AP and they smoothed it out over time. So there's a chance Porsche can fix it. For $970 or whatever I'll buy it but I wonder if I'll use it. Porsche ADC is quite good.
Overall I'm getting the sense Porsche has a different attitude toward EV - this system and the lack of real one pedal driving will take some adjustment for folks coming off other EVs (particularly Tesla).
Never had a Porsche with this function (although I specced it on my Macan EV). The system looks like garbage. Seems worse than the basic HDA system in my Kia (which does a decent job). I hope that Porsche improves it via OTA updates. FWIW - what he's calling "drunk driving" we used to call "ping-ponging" in the early days of Tesla AP and they smoothed it out over time. So there's a chance Porsche can fix it. For $970 or whatever I'll buy it but I wonder if I'll use it. Porsche ADC is quite good.
Overall I'm getting the sense Porsche has a different attitude toward EV - this system and the lack of real one pedal driving will take some adjustment for folks coming off other EVs (particularly Tesla).
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thanks guys. Are we ideal Porsche customers or what?
The consensus is “it’s really not very good but we’ll pay $965 for it anyway”
I made it through most of Kyle‘s review and I think I’m going to save the 965 bucks. It looks pretty lousy. And an eTron we had automatically would reduce speeds based on speed limit signs, and we turned that off and never used it. Plus if we are able to get it over the air there’s an option to add in future. And finally if the steering wheel requires torque every minute that’s such a hassle I wouldn’t use lane centering. Our BMW iX works just by resting a couple of fingers on the wheel .
The consensus is “it’s really not very good but we’ll pay $965 for it anyway”
I made it through most of Kyle‘s review and I think I’m going to save the 965 bucks. It looks pretty lousy. And an eTron we had automatically would reduce speeds based on speed limit signs, and we turned that off and never used it. Plus if we are able to get it over the air there’s an option to add in future. And finally if the steering wheel requires torque every minute that’s such a hassle I wouldn’t use lane centering. Our BMW iX works just by resting a couple of fingers on the wheel .
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I don't have it, but my friend and neighbor has it on his 2021 9924S. It has never worked right, and the dealer has attempted to fix it at least 4 times. In addition to software updates they replaced the PCM head unit at least once - maybe twice. It still doesn't work. I told him to just deactivate it, but he is of the mindset that everything should work and can't let it go
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My impression is you can't get ALK without Innodrive on most car configurations, now. I like ALK a lot, I never use Innodrive. I agree with Dave's sentiment that Innodrive's speed adjustment is more annoying than helpful.
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Long video. But he and his folks are great - best EV coverage I know of. His detailed review of the Macan EV is excellent.
Never had a Porsche with this function (although I specced it on my Macan EV). The system looks like garbage. Seems worse than the basic HDA system in my Kia (which does a decent job). I hope that Porsche improves it via OTA updates. FWIW - what he's calling "drunk driving" we used to call "ping-ponging" in the early days of Tesla AP and they smoothed it out over time. So there's a chance Porsche can fix it. For $970 or whatever I'll buy it but I wonder if I'll use it. Porsche ADC is quite good.
Overall I'm getting the sense Porsche has a different attitude toward EV - this system and the lack of real one pedal driving will take some adjustment for folks coming off other EVs (particularly Tesla).
Never had a Porsche with this function (although I specced it on my Macan EV). The system looks like garbage. Seems worse than the basic HDA system in my Kia (which does a decent job). I hope that Porsche improves it via OTA updates. FWIW - what he's calling "drunk driving" we used to call "ping-ponging" in the early days of Tesla AP and they smoothed it out over time. So there's a chance Porsche can fix it. For $970 or whatever I'll buy it but I wonder if I'll use it. Porsche ADC is quite good.
Overall I'm getting the sense Porsche has a different attitude toward EV - this system and the lack of real one pedal driving will take some adjustment for folks coming off other EVs (particularly Tesla).
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Yep. I haven't had a Tesla since '20 so not sure if they've adjusted the regen levels but the 1 pedal of Kia (for example) is even more aggressive. I'm curious to see how I adjust to the Porsche. I bet it bugs me for a while.
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the primary method of invoking regen on a Taycan is via the brake pedal - if you are off the accelerator and not on the brake - then the vehicle will coast…if you want one pedal regen you'll need to purchase a vehicle from another vendor cause Porsche is not your vendor and you are not their customer.
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Porsche has three recuperation modes;
Off - no regeneration, because coasting is more efficient
On - similar to off throttle ICE slowing
Auto - as you approach the car ahead of you it will slow you, but not to a stop, use ACC for that
Off - no regeneration, because coasting is more efficient
On - similar to off throttle ICE slowing
Auto - as you approach the car ahead of you it will slow you, but not to a stop, use ACC for that
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This kind of car need to self drive itself while watching the emails,
so Innodrive is the least
but Porsche is not yet the best out there
so Innodrive is the least
but Porsche is not yet the best out there
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it's simple with porsche - there is no adjustment - there is only very very slight regen if you turn on "auto" regen and a vehicle in front of you is slower than you - in which case the Taycan will "slow" slightly to match the speed of the vehicle in front of you if you are off the accelerator - but there is _NOTHING_ approaching the one-pedal driving experience of any other EV - Porsche is morally opposed to such a feature
the primary method of invoking regen on a Taycan is via the brake pedal - if you are off the accelerator and not on the brake - then the vehicle will coast…if you want one pedal regen you'll need to purchase a vehicle from another vendor cause Porsche is not your vendor and you are not their customer.
the primary method of invoking regen on a Taycan is via the brake pedal - if you are off the accelerator and not on the brake - then the vehicle will coast…if you want one pedal regen you'll need to purchase a vehicle from another vendor cause Porsche is not your vendor and you are not their customer.
I will probably pass on the Macan, as with no one pedal driving not a true EV. Too bad, as I really like the looks of it.
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iirc when we bought our Taycan the Innodrive was part of a tech package that came with ALK/ACC. We wanted ALK/ACC but if you bought those separately it was basically the same price as the package, so we ended up just getting the package with Innodrive. I agree with all the statements about Innodrive and never use it. ALK+ACC works great.