718 GT4?
05-22-2018, 07:36 AM
#2117
Rennlist Member
Anyway,
Not sure why you guys are so fixated on turbos. Seriously guys, most mags gleam their information from forums anyway. Last time I said I made an educated guess on it being the GT3 motor the next week some sites published it as 'fact'.
After my visit I just said there was a slight deviation. Not a completed change. DEVIATION.
Maybe when the heat dies down a bit I can say more.
Not sure why you guys are so fixated on turbos. Seriously guys, most mags gleam their information from forums anyway. Last time I said I made an educated guess on it being the GT3 motor the next week some sites published it as 'fact'.
After my visit I just said there was a slight deviation. Not a completed change. DEVIATION.
Maybe when the heat dies down a bit I can say more.
05-22-2018, 07:44 AM
#2118
Rennlist Member
Hi new guy! How u doing? May I suggest you should stay on the sideline and read and learn a bit more before posting?
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
I think we all keep missing the painful truth, and what is right there in what Whoopsy has said (and not said), and all the collective evidence.
Go back and look at Whoopsy’s post.He has not re-stated that the road car is NA. Only the racecar, and he has been careful to make the distinction. And the homologation rules can be waivered for engine specs (it says so in the regs). [Reference similar ‘tricks‘ when the RSR was homologated (albeit under GTE class) with its mid-mounted engine…].
Look at the other evidence for the road car – we’ve NOT heard definitive footage of the road going GT4, only the racecar. We HAVE seen the Spyder videos, where it mostly seems like a H4T, much more strongly than the 6-cyl we’re used to. Whoopsy HAS confirmed that the 'twins' will have the same engine. So the Spyder video is back on the table as our best evidence of what the GT4 engine will be. Don’t forget that before his visit to Weissach, Whoopsy was quite definitive about the engine format for the road car, but since the visit he has NOT re-confirmed that the road car is NA. He has ONLY confirmed this for the Clubsport. Why?
In fact, since his post, I've not seen any evidence that the road car is NA, and also looking at all the other collective evidence, vids etc. Therefore, the absolute strongest evidence to date is that the new 718 GT4 will use the 718 flat-4 turbocharged engine. In fact, even EVO magazine's article on the GT4 of a few days ago sits on the fence, whereas before they were all 'new GT4 gets 4.0' - now they're back to being unsure. Otherwise, why all the smoke and mirrors suddenly. Why would Whoopsy not simply make reference to what he advised before, or why not simply make reference to what all journalists have written. Why not simply say ‘this article is a good read guys’….
Its because the road car is not NA.
What Whoopsy did confirm is that the road going 718 GT4 is going to be ‘bespoke for a while’, i.e. ‘continue to be bespoke’ – now, what engine is bespoke (i.e. unique) to the 718? Yep, the flat-4 turbo…. Its the only engine that is actually bespoke to the 718. Whoopsy told us the answer right there. And no, the previous 3.8 is not bespoke to the GT4 either, it’s from the 991, as we all know, so it can’t be that either.
It’s a 4-pot! This is what we should all be discussing!
Go back and look at Whoopsy’s post.He has not re-stated that the road car is NA. Only the racecar, and he has been careful to make the distinction. And the homologation rules can be waivered for engine specs (it says so in the regs). [Reference similar ‘tricks‘ when the RSR was homologated (albeit under GTE class) with its mid-mounted engine…].
Look at the other evidence for the road car – we’ve NOT heard definitive footage of the road going GT4, only the racecar. We HAVE seen the Spyder videos, where it mostly seems like a H4T, much more strongly than the 6-cyl we’re used to. Whoopsy HAS confirmed that the 'twins' will have the same engine. So the Spyder video is back on the table as our best evidence of what the GT4 engine will be. Don’t forget that before his visit to Weissach, Whoopsy was quite definitive about the engine format for the road car, but since the visit he has NOT re-confirmed that the road car is NA. He has ONLY confirmed this for the Clubsport. Why?
In fact, since his post, I've not seen any evidence that the road car is NA, and also looking at all the other collective evidence, vids etc. Therefore, the absolute strongest evidence to date is that the new 718 GT4 will use the 718 flat-4 turbocharged engine. In fact, even EVO magazine's article on the GT4 of a few days ago sits on the fence, whereas before they were all 'new GT4 gets 4.0' - now they're back to being unsure. Otherwise, why all the smoke and mirrors suddenly. Why would Whoopsy not simply make reference to what he advised before, or why not simply make reference to what all journalists have written. Why not simply say ‘this article is a good read guys’….
Its because the road car is not NA.
What Whoopsy did confirm is that the road going 718 GT4 is going to be ‘bespoke for a while’, i.e. ‘continue to be bespoke’ – now, what engine is bespoke (i.e. unique) to the 718? Yep, the flat-4 turbo…. Its the only engine that is actually bespoke to the 718. Whoopsy told us the answer right there. And no, the previous 3.8 is not bespoke to the GT4 either, it’s from the 991, as we all know, so it can’t be that either.
It’s a 4-pot! This is what we should all be discussing!
05-22-2018, 07:57 AM
#2119
Rennlist Member
Based on what I know, I am sticking to the GT4CS and flying the Porsche flag, and not switching over to Aston or Mercedes or McLaren GT4s. Aston actually had already made me an offer.
05-22-2018, 10:09 AM
#2121
All I want to know is the fuel cut rev limit and if it's like the 981. 7500 (on tach)+200 = 7700 or 7700 (on tach) + 200 = 7900. Whenever you feel comfortable sharing that.
Thanks for your information thus far. This thread has been one of my favorite threads on a car forum.
Thanks for your information thus far. This thread has been one of my favorite threads on a car forum.
05-22-2018, 10:46 AM
#2122
Hi new guy! How u doing? May I suggest you should stay on the sideline and read and learn a bit more before posting?
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
Whoopsy for president....
05-22-2018, 01:41 PM
#2124
Rennlist Member
Hi new guy! How u doing? May I suggest you should stay on the sideline and read and learn a bit more before posting?
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
So did you place your order for a boxer 4 turbo GT4? You can wait for that one. Think everyone else went a different direction though.
If you actually READ the regulations more closely, the engine FORMAT cannot be changed. General locations also can't be change, i.e. engine has to stay in front or behind the driver. Platform wise, it is no secret that behind the driver, the RSR is basically a Cayman. Mind you, the GT4CS has the whole GT3 Cup car front end too. Porsche have a ton of engineers working for them, engineering stuff is their job. A 911 and a Cayman shares a lot more than you think, hence why they can be made quickly on the same production line.
05-22-2018, 07:28 PM
#2129
Nordschleife Master
05-22-2018, 07:38 PM
#2130
Rennlist Member
