Your Prediction: NEXT GT4 Engine
11-04-2017, 07:51 AM
#106
Drifting
So how about the rest of the prose; doesn't sound like they're "worshiping the god of torque" to me:
Of course, track cars are ultimately about the track. Back-of-an-SCCA-license-form calculations and familiarity with the 911 suggested the Porsche, the lightest car of the three, might keep the more powerful GT R honest at the NCM circuit, where the steering wheel is almost never straight. Wrong. The AMG was outrageously rapid, more than four seconds faster than the GT3. The GT R reminded us of the Viper ACR we had here two years ago in its rock-solid stability through NCM’s fast Turn 5, its outright grip on a sticky set of tires, and its composure under braking.
At least those are the subjective impressions of where the AMG saved time. When we started dissecting the VBOX data, it turns out that the Mercedes was indeed faster in those spots—but also everywhere else. The GT R hit the highest speeds on the straights, braked later, and carried more speed through the turns. Getting out of those turns was made easy, thanks to that yellow, knurled traction-control dial on the console. With the nine-position **** set dead-center, one can stand on the GT R’s right pedal as soon as the corner opens up.
For those chasing that last hundredth of a second—and there were a few at PCOTY—the GT R is the perfect tool. And that’s exactly what it feels like: a tool—a ruthless, brutally efficient device for systematically tearing apart lap times.
Objectively and subjectively they liked the actual performance of the GT-R and the ZL1 better than the GT3, ceding only the territory of "aural delights of the 9000rpm shriek" and fun of manual gearbox to the GT3.
Personally, I'd still get the 3. But that's solely because I'm a brand *****.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...r-of-the-year/
11-04-2017, 10:28 AM
#107
Three Wheelin'
I realize there's some precedent for different series 911s being built concurrently (i.e. USMY 2005 Turbos and GT3s were 996 while Carreras were 997; 1989 Carrera2s were 3.2 Carreras and Carrera4s were 964s). But those were expensive, range-topping high profit models and production of them was just continued uninterrupted for that last year. It's hard to imagine Porsche retooling and reopening a 981 line that has been closed for nearly 2 years now, in order to build a low-volume, low-profit orphan that was never fast nor prestigious in the first place.
Heck, with the brand new GT3 getting destroyed in the R&T Best Driver's Car comparo by the MB GT-R and handily beaten by the Camaro ZL1, on track, in both objective performance and subjective feel... maybe Porsche has other things to focus on!
Heck, with the brand new GT3 getting destroyed in the R&T Best Driver's Car comparo by the MB GT-R and handily beaten by the Camaro ZL1, on track, in both objective performance and subjective feel... maybe Porsche has other things to focus on!
tons of GT3's and GT4's (as well a regular 911's and Caymans) at every event i go to...not too many Merc's...thinking those will be C&C crowd, so lap times are a moot point.
11-21-2017, 11:38 AM
#110
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...1-gt3-flat-six
How accurate is autocar? According to them it's going to be detuned GT3 engine.
How accurate is autocar? According to them it's going to be detuned GT3 engine.
11-21-2017, 11:43 AM
#111
About as accurate as any other journalist that doesn't quote a source. Looks like a wild guess with a 50% chance of being correct. Let's face it, there are only 2 options once you rule out forced induction. Hard to charge £40k/$50k more for a GT3 if they fit the current GT3 replacement motor though, so something has to give.
11-21-2017, 02:01 PM
#113
11-21-2017, 03:04 PM
#114
Three Wheelin'
id be willing to bet a video surfaces in the next month from the same photographer. Maxing out photo sales before selling a vid.
11-21-2017, 03:40 PM
#115
What's also interesting to note is that we've seen two different versions of the gt4 prototype is the past 2 weeks, which leads me to believe that Porsche have recently started to dedicate more resources to the development to the gt4. I expect we will find out more relatively soon.
11-21-2017, 07:20 PM
#116
On a German forum they are talking about a GT4RS with 4.0 and PDK. Supposedly 2 people, somewhat in the know ??????, sold their GT4s and signed up for that model. But as always no confirmation. Everybody is waiting on sound clips of the mules.
11-21-2017, 07:28 PM
#117
Three Wheelin'
Wasnt the german forum stating the 718 GT4 would be turbo car too?
11-21-2017, 07:37 PM
#118
Three Wheelin'
Makes sense, it would give Porsche a competitive base for the next GT4 clubsport without trampling the GT3... Too much. No manual no care for me and even in RS form I bet it'll still be significantly detuned from the GT3's 500hp, otherwise it's too close to a cup car. 440hp maybe if the 718 GT4 lands at around 415hp?
11-21-2017, 08:55 PM
#119
Yes. They claim regular GT4/Spyder with turdbo and GT4RS with NA due to homologation. But the guess is only a GT4RS since it doesn't make sense for 2 different motors. Price guess for GT4RS with PDK is € 115k - € 125k base.
11-21-2017, 09:25 PM
#120
Rennlist Member
If I were Porsche, this is what I would do, and my current theory for what I think they will do...
I would make a GT4 RS mainly for homologation into the GT4 racing class. The current GT4 in US racing series like the Pirelli World Challenge and IMSA is the limiter for the whole field. The GT4 runs maxed out and all the other cars get throttle limitations to bring them down to the Cayman level. I would make just enough RS's to meet homologation rules and price it high to fit in the hierarchy with the other GT cars. It would be NA with the GT3 4.0 de-tuned by some amount to fit in the hierarchy. It would be near impossible to get for non VIP's. Maybe even tough for them. This would prevent it from upsetting GT3 and other 911 sales.
I would also make a regular GT4 using the turbo 4. It would be faster than the GTS but fit nicely in the hierarchy. Availability would be relatively high and the price would be 10-15% more than the 981 GT4. This would bring more credibility to the 4 banger by putting it in the "halo car" of the category and open the door for future "regular" GT cars being turbo (excluding GT2).
I would make a GT4 RS mainly for homologation into the GT4 racing class. The current GT4 in US racing series like the Pirelli World Challenge and IMSA is the limiter for the whole field. The GT4 runs maxed out and all the other cars get throttle limitations to bring them down to the Cayman level. I would make just enough RS's to meet homologation rules and price it high to fit in the hierarchy with the other GT cars. It would be NA with the GT3 4.0 de-tuned by some amount to fit in the hierarchy. It would be near impossible to get for non VIP's. Maybe even tough for them. This would prevent it from upsetting GT3 and other 911 sales.
I would also make a regular GT4 using the turbo 4. It would be faster than the GTS but fit nicely in the hierarchy. Availability would be relatively high and the price would be 10-15% more than the 981 GT4. This would bring more credibility to the 4 banger by putting it in the "halo car" of the category and open the door for future "regular" GT cars being turbo (excluding GT2).