strut tower failure
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If repeated impacts are a contributing factor (appears they are), and a car is driven on US roads where the right-hand lane is used, there are always more pot holes and dips towards the curb side of the road under the right wheel than under the left side wheel. This is due to the slope of the road collecting more rain runoff on the right-hand side of the lane, and the water seeping into cracks in the pavement and resulting freezing/expanding/cracking or simple erosion of substrate. Ask someone who does a lot of front end alignments or repairs at tire/wheel shops. They will confirm they see more damage to right (passenger) side wheels/tires (again, only applies to right-hand lane driven cars, steering wheel on left side).
Sorry to all of those that are having to deal with this. Please keep us posted if Porsche or your insurance covers the repair and what it ends up costing. Best of luck.
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If repeated impacts are a contributing factor (appears they are), and a car is driven on US roads where the right-hand lane is used, there are always more pot holes and dips towards the curb side of the road under the right wheel than under the left side wheel. This is due to the slope of the road collecting more rain runoff on the right-hand side of the lane, and the water seeping into cracks in the pavement and resulting freezing/expanding/cracking or simple erosion of substrate. Ask someone who does a lot of front end alignments or repairs at tire/wheel shops. They will confirm they see more damage to right (passenger) side wheels/tires (again, only applies to right-hand lane driven cars, steering wheel on left side).
Hmmm, interesting thought process, I guess that makes sense. Still, if these are indeed a weak point, even if they tend to be more prolific on the curb-side, potholes happen everywhere, so you'd think we'd have heard of one on the driver's side by now.
Sorry to all of those that are having to deal with this. Please keep us posted if Porsche or your insurance covers the repair and what it ends up costing. Best of luck.
Sorry to all of those that are having to deal with this. Please keep us posted if Porsche or your insurance covers the repair and what it ends up costing. Best of luck.
Cyclic stresses would likely be more frequent and of higher amplitude on the right side of the road at least in the US.
Also this quote is kind of interesting in relation to how the failures have manifested in the real world:
- Fatigue is a process that has a degree of randomness (stochastic), often showing considerable scatter even in seemingly identical samples in well controlled environments.
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If repeated impacts are a contributing factor (appears they are), and a car is driven on US roads where the right-hand lane is used, there are always more pot holes and dips towards the curb side of the road under the right wheel than under the left side wheel. This is due to the slope of the road collecting more rain runoff on the right-hand side of the lane, and the water seeping into cracks in the pavement and resulting freezing/expanding/cracking or simple erosion of substrate. Ask someone who does a lot of front end alignments or repairs at tire/wheel shops. They will confirm they see more damage to right (passenger) side wheels/tires (again, only applies to right-hand lane driven cars, steering wheel on left side).
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That is actually not completely the same if I understand the example correctly. FWIW what you describe is similar to bending a paper clip back and forth until it breaks. In that case the material is being physically deformed creating stress greater than yield strength. This stress work hardens the material making it more brittle with each bend. This type of failure is actually very predictable and repeatable. In the case of fatigue, yield stress is not exceeded. The crack manifests and grows very slowly over time after a very high number of smaller amplitude cycles. It is very difficult to predict and can be random in occurrence.
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I need to verify the aftermarket suspension parts but I think it was limited to linkage allowing for more camber adjustment using shims.on the lower control arms. Springs and shocks are all stock. Wheels are 20" stock (because of PCCB). Tires are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2's.
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Update on latest GT4 strut tower failure:
I heard back from the track insurance broker today. He said coverage wasn't likely because there was no accident. Mechanical failures are not covered especially if it is a known problem. I guess I would have been better off if the failure had caused me to slam the car into a barrier. Not looking too good for an inexpensive fix right now. Probably time to call the dealer to start the repair process and see what Porsche position will be.
I heard back from the track insurance broker today. He said coverage wasn't likely because there was no accident. Mechanical failures are not covered especially if it is a known problem. I guess I would have been better off if the failure had caused me to slam the car into a barrier. Not looking too good for an inexpensive fix right now. Probably time to call the dealer to start the repair process and see what Porsche position will be.
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Update on latest GT4 strut tower failure:
I heard back from the track insurance broker today. He said coverage wasn't likely because there was no accident. Mechanical failures are not covered especially if it is a known problem. I guess I would have been better off if the failure had caused me to slam the car into a barrier. Not looking too good for an inexpensive fix right now. Probably time to call the dealer to start the repair process and see what Porsche position will be.
I heard back from the track insurance broker today. He said coverage wasn't likely because there was no accident. Mechanical failures are not covered especially if it is a known problem. I guess I would have been better off if the failure had caused me to slam the car into a barrier. Not looking too good for an inexpensive fix right now. Probably time to call the dealer to start the repair process and see what Porsche position will be.
Have you tried your road insurance? I seem like if road insurance have covered other failures reported here that either your road or track insurance should cover it. You might have to lawyer up at some point. With the repair costs noted on RL, it is enough to warrant legal action IMHO...
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Back to my post #839 above. This issue really needs a sticky and a managed database (spreadsheet) with details of failures like the 3rd gear failure thread. The 3rd gear issue is now an official Porsche recall. If the strut tower fractures were collected in an organized manner, it would benefit the Porsche owner community. As some posted earlier in this thread, they were concerned this was a fluke issue and if it were a sticky it would stain the reputation of the 981/991 GT cars. IMO, enough of these have occurred there should be some organized data with visibility, in a sticky thread. I would rather head toward understanding the cause so a solution or workaround can be developed.
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I haven't been able to locate a part number. I am sure there is one but since this is likely only ever to be replaced by a body shop it may come bonded to that rear structure and may not be available separately.
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Back to my post #839 above. This issue really needs a sticky and a managed database (spreadsheet) with details of failures like the 3rd gear failure thread. The 3rd gear issue is now an official Porsche recall. If the strut tower fractures were collected in an organized manner, it would benefit the Porsche owner community. As some posted earlier in this thread, they were concerned this was a fluke issue and if it were a sticky it would stain the reputation of the 981/991 GT cars. IMO, enough of these have occurred there should be some organized data with visibility, in a sticky thread. I would rather head toward understanding the cause so a solution or workaround can be developed.