Notices
GT4/Spyder Discussions about the 981 GT4/Spyder

GT4 Database

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 02:00 PM
  #886  
OpenWheelFan's Avatar
OpenWheelFan
Advanced
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 60
Likes: 3
From: SF East Bay
Default

High Volume Dealer in So Cal, who will remain nameless until car in driveway. I'm skeptical, hence the reason for finally joining RL, but they are ready to do a built sheet and take a deposit.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 04:27 PM
  #887  
stout's Avatar
stout
Rennlist Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 5,008
Likes: 1,474
From: ^ The Bay Bridge
Default

Originally Posted by OpenWheelFan
Given that the car won't be a scarce as originally thought has me wondering if the premium is justified? Thoughts?
I wouldn't want to pay a premium for a new GT4 because I enter the deal upside down and then have to hope values stay flat or go up. But it comes down to what's "worth it" to you. If a NEW car does it for you, maybe it is. If a few miles don't bother you, I'd look for a used GT4.

There are too many questions that cannot be answered when it comes to future GT4 values. So all you can do is look at key factors, such as:

-Demand
-Supply (if 2300-2500 to NA, probably 5000-6000 total production)
-Reliability (esp depending on how Porsche addresses third-gear issue, etc.)
-718 GT4 engine/price (flat four turbo, or GT3 engine + $$,$$$?)
-718 GT4 transmission
-991-2 GT3 with MT
-991-1 GT3 reliability, values
-997 GT3/RS values
-GT4's value proposition vs. other choices in segment

We are just getting into what will probably be the most interesting period re: 981-1 GT4 values. Will they go up? Go down? Stay flat? No one knows. I think the best plan is to find a GT4 and enjoy it. If values go up, great. If they hold, great. If they slide (from what was a bargain to begin with), you still got good value/utility.

Only one thing is a constant: In any scenario, the more miles you put on a GT4, the more value you get. I can't think of a car enthusiast I've met who said, "Gee, I wish I didn't spend so much time enjoying my Porsche."
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 09:04 PM
  #888  
usctrojanGT3's Avatar
usctrojanGT3
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 17,838
Likes: 4,773
Default

Originally Posted by OpenWheelFan
High Volume Dealer in So Cal, who will remain nameless until car in driveway. I'm skeptical, hence the reason for finally joining RL, but they are ready to do a built sheet and take a deposit.
Ahhh either Beverly Hills or Auto Gallery...both in the top 5 of my stealership list. I wouldn't buy a soda from either of those two vampires.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 09:31 PM
  #889  
VLJ's Avatar
VLJ
Pro
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 703
Likes: 8
From: Phoenix
Default

Beverly Hills was advertising two at astronomically high markups last time I looked.
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2016 | 10:43 PM
  #890  
4carl's Avatar
4carl
Rennlist Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,348
Likes: 1,635
From: santa barbara
Default

How about starting a database for transmission failures. Date of manufacture , Miles , number of track days/ miles and any other relevant information that would help to see if it's an isolated part run. I think it would be useful. Thanks carl
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2016 | 01:51 AM
  #891  
BryanCO's Avatar
BryanCO
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,311
Likes: 446
From: Colorado Springs
Default

Originally Posted by stout
I wouldn't want to pay a premium for a new GT4 because I enter the deal upside down and then have to hope values stay flat or go up. But it comes down to what's "worth it" to you. If a NEW car does it for you, maybe it is. If a few miles don't bother you, I'd look for a used GT4.

There are too many questions that cannot be answered when it comes to future GT4 values. So all you can do is look at key factors, such as:

-Demand
-Supply (if 2300-2500 to NA, probably 5000-6000 total production)
-Reliability (esp depending on how Porsche addresses third-gear issue, etc.)
-718 GT4 engine/price (flat four turbo, or GT3 engine + $$,$$$?)
-718 GT4 transmission
-991-2 GT3 with MT
-991-1 GT3 reliability, values
-997 GT3/RS values
-GT4's value proposition vs. other choices in segment

We are just getting into what will probably be the most interesting period re: 981-1 GT4 values. Will they go up? Go down? Stay flat? No one knows. I think the best plan is to find a GT4 and enjoy it. If values go up, great. If they hold, great. If they slide (from what was a bargain to begin with), you still got good value/utility.

Only one thing is a constant: In any scenario, the more miles you put on a GT4, the more value you get. I can't think of a car enthusiast I've met who said, "Gee, I wish I didn't spend so much time enjoying my Porsche."
Excellent advice.

Haven't heard of a configurable GT4 in quite some time.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2016 | 02:32 PM
  #892  
OpenWheelFan's Avatar
OpenWheelFan
Advanced
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 60
Likes: 3
From: SF East Bay
Thumbs up

Most helpful, Stout, what a comprehensive reply. Got me thinking about a few other tangents I hadn't considered. I'm not set on a new build (if I can even find one) but the mark-up folks are seeking in secondary are crazy beyond covering sales tax costs so I figure for the same outlay, go new. Dealer is saying an announcement of more GT4 allocation is pending, you could be the first in line by placing a deposit. Why the hell not? (Sorry if this isn't showing up in correct thread, new Rennlist user.)
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 02:11 AM
  #893  
usctrojanGT3's Avatar
usctrojanGT3
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 17,838
Likes: 4,773
Default

They are done building GT4s, it's even off the Porsche website configurator. Trust those stealers as far as you can throw them.
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 04:47 AM
  #894  
Viperguy324's Avatar
Viperguy324
Racer
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 436
Likes: 35
From: Trier (Nring/Spa)
Default

Several new ones have popped up over here...
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 09:31 AM
  #895  
okie981's Avatar
okie981
Rennlist Member
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 3,534
Likes: 764
From: On a pygmy pony over by the dental floss bush
Default

Originally Posted by Viperguy324
Several new ones have popped up over here...
New ones being delivered or new allocations for builds?
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 09:34 AM
  #896  
VLJ's Avatar
VLJ
Pro
5 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 703
Likes: 8
From: Phoenix
Default

Originally Posted by Viperguy324
Several new ones have popped up over here...
According to the dealer here they're required to advertise every car they get even ones that are sold, so if a GT4 arrived that is waiting for the owner to take delivery, you'd still see it on their website and auto trader as for sale new @ msrp. They tell me this is mandated by Porsche.
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 10:56 AM
  #897  
HiWind's Avatar
HiWind
Race Car
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,356
Likes: 49
From: Cape Town, RSA & Sarasota FL
Default

any info on how many ROW Clubsport packages (ie the road car w rear cage etc.. not the Race car) were made?
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2016 | 11:58 AM
  #898  
Viperguy324's Avatar
Viperguy324
Racer
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 436
Likes: 35
From: Trier (Nring/Spa)
Default

Originally Posted by okie981
New ones being delivered or new allocations for builds?
Delivered... 18 still for sale in Germany. (this number was much lower 3 months ago) As far as I know allocations were stopped a long time ago. Most ordered by 2nd tier dealers and now for sale near list... unless PCCB.. then crazy high.
Reply
Old Nov 9, 2016 | 11:02 PM
  #899  
BealeAss's Avatar
BealeAss
Rennlist Member
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 642
Likes: 366
From: 4.5Live Free Or Die
Default

Still not on here unfortunately
Reply
Old Nov 12, 2016 | 11:30 AM
  #900  
darma1md's Avatar
darma1md
Track Day
 
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: Carmel, CA
Default Perhaps the last GT4

Received mine October 10, could be one of the last GT4 produced, last 6 192790.... loving it....
Reply



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 10:31 PM.