GT4 Database
08-26-2017, 10:19 AM
#962
GT4 Build Numbers (cont'd):
What is the estimated total production number?
- From Gmaki's registry, we know that total US GT4 deliveries were 2062.
- Other sales data is drawn from the 2016 Porsche sales press release.
Counting all cars in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- in US: 54280
- in Germany: 29247 (54% of US)
- in Europe total: 78975 (92% of US in R-o-Europe)
- in Asia-Pacific (without China): 27966 (52% of US)
- in America total: 65591 (21% of US in R-o-America)
So, we'd expect 54% of US allocation to be in Germany (1113), which is overestimating the actual reported 1004 by only 10%.
Also, we'd expect 92% of US allocation to be in rest of Europe. Assuming the same over-estimate, this gives 1711 GT4s.
And, we'd expect 52% of US allocation in Asia-Pacific, assuming none are in China. This amounts to 1072 GT4s.
In total:
- US 2062 (Gmaki registry)
- Canada 287 (Gmaki registry)
- R-o-America 146 (estimate from 2016 total sales data)
- Germany 1004 (KBA Germany)
- R-o-Europe 1711 (estimate)
- Asia-Pacific 1072 (estimate)
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Total est.: 6282
As a second approach, counting only 911's in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- worldwide: 32409
- US: 10000 (not exact, but US 911 annual is approx. that number)
Assuming the same 911 US/worldwide split for GT4s also, would indicate a total production number of ~6750.
In summary, the earlier quoted number of 64xx total GT4 production is supported by estimates from (1.) worldwide total car sales data and (2.) US vs. worldwide split for 911 shipments only.
What is the estimated total production number?
- From Gmaki's registry, we know that total US GT4 deliveries were 2062.
- Other sales data is drawn from the 2016 Porsche sales press release.
Counting all cars in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- in US: 54280
- in Germany: 29247 (54% of US)
- in Europe total: 78975 (92% of US in R-o-Europe)
- in Asia-Pacific (without China): 27966 (52% of US)
- in America total: 65591 (21% of US in R-o-America)
So, we'd expect 54% of US allocation to be in Germany (1113), which is overestimating the actual reported 1004 by only 10%.
Also, we'd expect 92% of US allocation to be in rest of Europe. Assuming the same over-estimate, this gives 1711 GT4s.
And, we'd expect 52% of US allocation in Asia-Pacific, assuming none are in China. This amounts to 1072 GT4s.
In total:
- US 2062 (Gmaki registry)
- Canada 287 (Gmaki registry)
- R-o-America 146 (estimate from 2016 total sales data)
- Germany 1004 (KBA Germany)
- R-o-Europe 1711 (estimate)
- Asia-Pacific 1072 (estimate)
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Total est.: 6282
As a second approach, counting only 911's in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- worldwide: 32409
- US: 10000 (not exact, but US 911 annual is approx. that number)
Assuming the same 911 US/worldwide split for GT4s also, would indicate a total production number of ~6750.
In summary, the earlier quoted number of 64xx total GT4 production is supported by estimates from (1.) worldwide total car sales data and (2.) US vs. worldwide split for 911 shipments only.
08-26-2017, 12:15 PM
#964
Racer
GT4 Build Numbers (cont'd):
What is the estimated total production number?
- From Gmaki's registry, we know that total US GT4 deliveries were 2062.
- Other sales data is drawn from the 2016 Porsche sales press release.
Counting all cars in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- in US: 54280
- in Germany: 29247 (54% of US)
- in Europe total: 78975 (92% of US in R-o-Europe)
- in Asia-Pacific (without China): 27966 (52% of US)
- in America total: 65591 (21% of US in R-o-America)
So, we'd expect 54% of US allocation to be in Germany (1113), which is overestimating the actual reported 1004 by only 10%.
Also, we'd expect 92% of US allocation to be in rest of Europe. Assuming the same over-estimate, this gives 1711 GT4s.
And, we'd expect 52% of US allocation in Asia-Pacific, assuming none are in China. This amounts to 1072 GT4s.
In total:
- US 2062 (Gmaki registry)
- Canada 287 (Gmaki registry)
- R-o-America 146 (estimate from 2016 total sales data)
- Germany 1004 (KBA Germany)
- R-o-Europe 1711 (estimate)
- Asia-Pacific 1072 (estimate)
----------------------------------
Total est.: 6282
As a second approach, counting only 911's in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- worldwide: 32409
- US: 10000 (not exact, but US 911 annual is approx. that number)
Assuming the same 911 US/worldwide split for GT4s also, would indicate a total production number of ~6750.
In summary, the earlier quoted number of 64xx total GT4 production is supported by estimates from (1.) worldwide total car sales data and (2.) US vs. worldwide split for 911 shipments only.
What is the estimated total production number?
- From Gmaki's registry, we know that total US GT4 deliveries were 2062.
- Other sales data is drawn from the 2016 Porsche sales press release.
Counting all cars in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- in US: 54280
- in Germany: 29247 (54% of US)
- in Europe total: 78975 (92% of US in R-o-Europe)
- in Asia-Pacific (without China): 27966 (52% of US)
- in America total: 65591 (21% of US in R-o-America)
So, we'd expect 54% of US allocation to be in Germany (1113), which is overestimating the actual reported 1004 by only 10%.
Also, we'd expect 92% of US allocation to be in rest of Europe. Assuming the same over-estimate, this gives 1711 GT4s.
And, we'd expect 52% of US allocation in Asia-Pacific, assuming none are in China. This amounts to 1072 GT4s.
In total:
- US 2062 (Gmaki registry)
- Canada 287 (Gmaki registry)
- R-o-America 146 (estimate from 2016 total sales data)
- Germany 1004 (KBA Germany)
- R-o-Europe 1711 (estimate)
- Asia-Pacific 1072 (estimate)
----------------------------------
Total est.: 6282
As a second approach, counting only 911's in 2016, Porsche AG sold:
- worldwide: 32409
- US: 10000 (not exact, but US 911 annual is approx. that number)
Assuming the same 911 US/worldwide split for GT4s also, would indicate a total production number of ~6750.
In summary, the earlier quoted number of 64xx total GT4 production is supported by estimates from (1.) worldwide total car sales data and (2.) US vs. worldwide split for 911 shipments only.
This is all based on normal production numbers...
Was just in Dubai and spoke with another owner... he thinks there are under 20 running around...
Luxembourg has around 30.
UK is easy to track.. think they got approx. 540
Like I said, can we just create a ROW excel? Then we can nail down vin ranges.
08-27-2017, 10:00 AM
#967
gt4 is a good car, but nothing special.
08-27-2017, 10:39 AM
#968
08-27-2017, 03:01 PM
#969
Rennlist Member
Sorry but I whole heartily disagree!
But then again I am just a common man ....
Yep ... I'm with Doug ....
But then again I am just a common man ....
Yep ... I'm with Doug ....
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Mike981S (02-15-2024)
08-27-2017, 06:12 PM
#970
Rennlist Member
^+1
08-27-2017, 11:51 PM
#971
Three Wheelin'
Just got back from the porsche driving school in Birmingham and my instructors there wholeheartedly would disagree with you.
You must have have more experience than those guys (and gals) behind more than enough cars to form those thoughts- care to elaborate?
You must have have more experience than those guys (and gals) behind more than enough cars to form those thoughts- care to elaborate?
08-28-2017, 02:58 AM
#972
Rennlist Member
^ Crazy talk.
GT4 with proper alignment is nothing short of mesmerizing on a back road. The chassis is extraordinary, and the value for money in terms of specialness is hard if not impossible to beat. I also think it's the best value Porsche has offered since the 964 RS America, and it may actually exceed the RSA in that regard, given all of the GT4's special hardware. GT3 front end and new rear suspension. GT3 brakes all around. A bigger engine. A shifter that may finally eclipse the S2000. Real aero, etc. etc.
And no matter how many they built, the GT4 is still a very rare sight, even here in Northern California—unless I am at an event of some kind. Then I see 2-4 or more. But, out on the roads, I just about never see GT4s. 2000 and change for NA just isn't a lot of cars. Had there been more model years than one, 2200~ a year would have added up pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see if they do two model years with the 982 GT4.
GT4 with proper alignment is nothing short of mesmerizing on a back road. The chassis is extraordinary, and the value for money in terms of specialness is hard if not impossible to beat. I also think it's the best value Porsche has offered since the 964 RS America, and it may actually exceed the RSA in that regard, given all of the GT4's special hardware. GT3 front end and new rear suspension. GT3 brakes all around. A bigger engine. A shifter that may finally eclipse the S2000. Real aero, etc. etc.
And no matter how many they built, the GT4 is still a very rare sight, even here in Northern California—unless I am at an event of some kind. Then I see 2-4 or more. But, out on the roads, I just about never see GT4s. 2000 and change for NA just isn't a lot of cars. Had there been more model years than one, 2200~ a year would have added up pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see if they do two model years with the 982 GT4.
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Mike981S (02-15-2024)
08-28-2017, 03:52 AM
#973
Rennlist Member
^ Crazy talk.
GT4 with proper alignment is nothing short of mesmerizing on a back road. The chassis is extraordinary, and the value for money in terms of specialness is hard if not impossible to beat. I also think it's the best value Porsche has offered since the 964 RS America, and it may actually exceed the RSA in that regard, given all of the GT4's special hardware. GT3 front end and new rear suspension. GT3 brakes all around. A bigger engine. A shifter that may finally eclipse the S2000. Real aero, etc. etc.
And no matter how many they built, the GT4 is still a very rare sight, even here in Northern California—unless I am at an event of some kind. Then I see 2-4 or more. But, out on the roads, I just about never see GT4s. 2000 and change for NA just isn't a lot of cars. Had there been more model years than one, 2200~ a year would have added up pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see if they do two model years with the 982 GT4.
GT4 with proper alignment is nothing short of mesmerizing on a back road. The chassis is extraordinary, and the value for money in terms of specialness is hard if not impossible to beat. I also think it's the best value Porsche has offered since the 964 RS America, and it may actually exceed the RSA in that regard, given all of the GT4's special hardware. GT3 front end and new rear suspension. GT3 brakes all around. A bigger engine. A shifter that may finally eclipse the S2000. Real aero, etc. etc.
And no matter how many they built, the GT4 is still a very rare sight, even here in Northern California—unless I am at an event of some kind. Then I see 2-4 or more. But, out on the roads, I just about never see GT4s. 2000 and change for NA just isn't a lot of cars. Had there been more model years than one, 2200~ a year would have added up pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see if they do two model years with the 982 GT4.
He speaka the truth !!
08-28-2017, 03:58 AM
#974
Racer
Was Just at a German Cayman Driving Event 50+ Caymans .... 1 GT4 was there. (This was an event that went out to all owners in the area and was a deal.
The Germans must be placing theirs in barns.
The Germans must be placing theirs in barns.
08-28-2017, 01:09 PM
#975
Rennlist Member
I had an RSA set up by Wright Tuning. The car was a lot of fun. One of the best track cars I've ever owned. Mine was an AC and radio delete car which was a bit much in the SW Ohio humidity pit. On the reliability side the heads leaked, the dual mass flywheel went south and the exhaust valves were worn out at 19,000 miles. My GT4 is at 13,000. Other than gas, oil, filters and a set of tires it hasn't required any extraordinary repairs.
Yesterday I traded cars for a drive with a friend. His car was an '11' GT3 RS. I've driven an RS on three different tracks and it's a great car. After driving the GT4 the RS gearbox felt like a truck and the seating felt too high. When we got back my friend was impressed with the GT4. Loved the sound with the Dundon headers, the gearbox (3rd didn't go AWOL) and the chassis setup with TPC DSC. His comment. 'I could buy one of these, sell the RS and put a lot of money in my pocket.'
I'm booked for the Fall and Spring Smokies event and I plan on driving down to both in the GT4. The ideal car for that event.
Yesterday I traded cars for a drive with a friend. His car was an '11' GT3 RS. I've driven an RS on three different tracks and it's a great car. After driving the GT4 the RS gearbox felt like a truck and the seating felt too high. When we got back my friend was impressed with the GT4. Loved the sound with the Dundon headers, the gearbox (3rd didn't go AWOL) and the chassis setup with TPC DSC. His comment. 'I could buy one of these, sell the RS and put a lot of money in my pocket.'
I'm booked for the Fall and Spring Smokies event and I plan on driving down to both in the GT4. The ideal car for that event.