Chris Harris Review
03-11-2015, 11:09 AM
#241
Nordschleife Master
I also have a 996 turbo and 4S. Don't plan to get rid of the turbo as it is just a beast and keeps up to 997.2 gt3s all day long. Thinking I'll finally trade my 4S in though.
03-11-2015, 11:13 AM
#242
Banned
That's a little optimistic but I'm sure it will be a great car anyway. With a 183 top speed one can easily see that it doesn't have the power of a C2S. Which has a 188 top speed. The GT4 is also estimated to have a Ring time of 7:40 which also indicates that it will fall short of the C2S time.
03-11-2015, 11:28 AM
#243
Rennlist Member
This car will not be slower than C2S. The only thing that will keep a C2S equal is if it has PDK. If it the 911 has the 7speed manual? No way.
03-11-2015, 11:42 AM
#244
Burning Brakes
That's a little optimistic but I'm sure it will be a great car anyway. With a 183 top speed one can easily see that it doesn't have the power of a C2S. Which has a 188 top speed. The GT4 is also estimated to have a Ring time of 7:40 which also indicates that it will fall short of the C2S time.
03-11-2015, 12:20 PM
#245
Banned
The 7:40 time for the GT4 is also an estimate. We will have to see the outcome this spring. Believe me. I hope you are right and I'm wrong. I would love to see a bargain in the Porsche line up. I just don't think Porsche is that stupid to produce it. We are dealing with Germans who are known to be very technocratic. It will fill a void without overstepping it's boundaries.
03-11-2015, 12:31 PM
#246
Race Director
I'm neither a purist nor do I care to have the latest, shiniest thing that comes around. The latter especially is a never-ending pursuit with diminishing returns. As for keeping more than one fun car, I've lately come to realize that (too much) ownership/property is over-rated. The marginal increase in joy/pleasure has to overpower the hassle to maintain, find place for, and take care of yet another thing in my life. Most of the time, it's just not worth the hassle.
... Well, it made sense in my mind initially anyway
03-11-2015, 12:36 PM
#247
Rennlist Member
Re: 991 CS, I have a PDK GTS, and can tell you based on first hand experience a properly equipped PDK CS is incredibly faster in a straight line and on the track. This car is often overshadowed by the incredible 991 GT3 but trust me a plain ole 991 S is in another league as it should be with 400hp and approximate the same weight with full use of Porsche's Intellegent Performance engineering.
The GT4 6spd is going to be an animal of a different stripes. Old school hard core. In the hands of a skilled driver, with proper suspension set up, it will shine as a track warrior. I have a lot to learn to get the most out if this car - but looking forward to the challenge. Not expecting my times to be quicker than a CS.
03-11-2015, 12:37 PM
#248
Three Wheelin'
03-11-2015, 01:17 PM
#249
Burning Brakes
Track times will be quick, but 0-100km times are 4.4 seconds for GT4, while a PDK equipped Cayman GTS is 4.3 seconds. This is the cold hard reality of what Porsche calls Intelligent Performance - the 340hp 981 GTS is quicker 0-100km. Not old school cool, but the engineers figure out a way to get more from less. PDK/launch contol/etc.
03-11-2015, 01:42 PM
#251
Nordschleife Master
03-11-2015, 01:50 PM
#253
Addict
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
I think 996/997 GT3 is a proper comparison for the GT4 both in intended use and price point. In the case of the 6gt3 both the power and the weight are fairly close, too. I am not much concerned about lap times. My concern with the GT4 was that it may not be as raw and visceral on the backroads and as fun on the track as my 6gt3. I am also not at all sure that the GT4 would be worth the $20-30k premium were I to make the switch. I used to be a mid-engine Porsche fanatic up until a few years ago before I sold my 987 Boxster S. But then I switched to the 6gt3 and have learned to appreciate the rear-engine dynamics. My 6gt3 is also nicely set up (Motons, arms, monoballs, etc.) and I have yet to drive another car that is more fun on the track. Maybe the GT4 will be more fun, maybe not -- it sure looks good on paper and on the pics. We'll see.
03-11-2015, 02:23 PM
#254
Rennlist Member
All I'm saying is that when Porsched decided to make the GT4 6 spd only, they did so at the price of quickest lap times. A PDK equipped 991S is simply faster.
That said, the GT4 mission is clear: it puts a street drive-able track tool in your hands which is inherently flawed because it is being controlled by a human, delightfully imperfect, whose ownership satisfaction derives not from the achievement of perfection, but its pursuit.
03-11-2015, 02:38 PM
#255
Burning Brakes
That said, the GT4 mission is clear: it puts a street drive-able track tool in your hands which is inherently flawed because it is being controlled by a human, delightfully imperfect, whose ownership satisfaction derives not from the achievement of perfection, but its pursuit.
Still want one though.