blacksheepSpyder

It will be a % over the GTS.

Add 10% to the GTS boxster for the same year, and you should get the Spyder

soupy

I just don't think the price will be that high. $92k is my guess. GT market is soft and the last thing they want is a 997 era uptake on these cars where some will be sitting on lots. Plus with dwindling 718 sales, they got plenty of production room to fill it in with all the GT4 orders they can take.

Agent_Orange

Good point.
I believe Porsche Germany is aware of the dealer ADMs as corporate "profits left on the table"
and will not make that mistake again, folding them into the upcoming MSRP

LeeDX

Birdy mentioned configurator in Middle East goes live beginning of July

ExMB

It would definitely look to me, based on the poll results, that those that live in areas where stealers are known to expect "stoopid" $$, expect the rest of the country to be treated the way they were. Or they are 911 disciples and want those to pay a penalty for encroaching onto their perceived "kool-aid" territory.

SmH

n4v4nod

#1 huge factor was due to the lack of manual transmission in any other GT car. That is way different now... lot more options

#2 the 997 Speedster was priced crazy high as well... that is history repeating itself... as was the Sport Classic and the 911R compared its similar performance models... (GTS and GT3s). Don’t think the high price of the Speedster was due to dealer ADM. However the higher volume might be.

Agent_Orange

Are you saying that Porsche used cars are competing with new cars simply because they both have an MT6 ?

n4v4nod

No... saying a lot of GT3 guys bought the 981 GT4 because at the time there was no other GT car with a manual. 911R was the only one and that was crazy limited and nearly all were only available to the 918 Spyder VIP program. Now the GT3 and GT3 Touring and Speedster are all available with a manual.

Jim Cobb

Well, I live in GA, and haven’t know stealers here to be any worse than elsewhere, especially in the NE or on the Left Coast. Maybe there are two carmakers named Porsche, but the one I have been observing for many years has not surprised me, even once, by pricing ANYTHING cheaper than anyone expected. If the new one is significantly better than mine, it will be even more significantly expensive. Really don’t care, either way. If I go for more power, there’s plenty to be had with what I have for a lot less than the price differential.

NoGaBiker

Hmmm. I can't speak to your expectations, but I can make a cogent case for several examples of "cheaper than expected pricing" coming from Stuttgart.

1) 95 911. $5000 less than 94 911. If that was all there was to it that would be remarkable. But add the fact that something like 80% of the car was new (and almost all of the mechanical changes have proved to be improvements over the 964, or at least not any worse.) Then add in the fact that they got it so "right" the 993 still leads all regular 911s in history (i'm conjecturing here, but pretty sure I'm correct) for MSRP retention at age 21-24 years. And all that for an 8% price reduction below the outgoing model? Surprised the hell out of me.

2) 2016 981 GT4. I'm too lazy to look up exact numbers but weren't they about $4k more than the GTS model and maybe 8k more than S? Obviously they didn't get the GT3 motor, but they got a similar motor upgrade over the 981 GTS/S as a GT3 gets over a Carrera GTS/S, and they got all the rest of the GTS front suspension and brake bits. The 991.1 GT3 was (from memory) about 136k, no? Vs. 115k for GTS and 98k for S? Way more upcharge for a GT car on the Carrera platform than on the Cayman platform. Porsche could have sold every single GT4 at 99,900 MSRP (and probably a bit higher) yet they priced them at 85k. Surprising, to say the least.

3) RS America. Cheaper than 964 C2, yet today they go for considerably more. A special 964 at reduced money? Didn't see that one coming.

JSF101

would agree with you on this

but the context was "no GT3 manual transmission available"

also, "surprising" to Porsche as well. I don't think they expected to sell so many GT4s. I remember going to the local dealer in Feb 2015 and being told that there was no way I would be able to get a GT4 because they were "sold out"

clearly, the original GT4 was a good value proposition (although some would argue that it wasn't because of transmission, strut tower, tall gearing, etc)

now, looks like Porsche expects to sell just as many, if not more GT4s, this time around

p.s. hope you're right and the pricing is lower but think you've got two chances of that happening

ExMB

And for $31.5k more you would've gotten a "true" motorsport engine, a PDK, a multilink rear suspension, CLs, etc, etc, etc.

By that argument the GT3 should've been priced higher as well to maintain the hierachy. Don't see anybody agreeing to that point.

BryanCO

The 991.2 GT3 is at a very different price point so I don’t think that will have a significant impact on the new GT4.

Oh, and there isn’t a GT3 Touring model. As I’m sure you are aware, it’s an option which is only available with a manual.

NoGaBiker

Huh? Not sure what context you're referring to, but by quoting the person I was answering I established the context of my answer, namely the statement: "Porsche has never surprised me by pricing ANYTHING cheaper than expected", to which I supplied modern instances of them doing just that.
No, I'm not arguing that pricing will be lower than 981, if that's what you mean in your post script. I'm saying only that Porsche has occasionally surprised people by pricing something "lower than expected." I don't think anyone expects 718 MSRP to be the same or lower than 981 MSRP.

As for my personal opinion, I think the GT4 MSRP will jump much, much more than the 718 GTS or S MSRP did above 981 S/GTS. My statement was just for historical perspective, not a prediction of what I think Porsche will do with 718GT4 pricing.

JSF101

guess it won't really matter what anyone thinks in about 3-4 hours

my "context" was merely that Porsche sold a lot of manual GT4s during a time when the GT3 was only available with PDK

how many GT4s would have been sold if the 2014/2015 GT3 had been available with a manual transmission?

clearly there was pent up demand from the manual transmission starved Porsche enthusiasts