718 GT4?
#5491
Cherry picked a comment from your long post. I take umbrage with your comment about pretend cars...Not sure that I think you are accurate by describing the GT4 and GT3 as pretend cars. I believe, as I am sure most do here, that the GT3 and GT4 are some of the finest sports car manufactured and marketed worldwide. No, they are not race cars, they are excellent sports cars, but calling them "pretend" is unfair and and just plain wrong.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not sure I agree with him either -- they look like they do NOT because they're trying to look like race cars but because they're trying to BE the best actual trackday non-racecars they can be -- but I wouldn't take umbrage at someone who felt the other way. It's not a far fetched proposition in my opinion.
Cheers! (And I still love your two 991s immensely!)
#5492
I think groundhog just meant "pretend racecar"; I don't see how he could have meant anything else in the context of the quote. And since you yourself agree that "no, they are not race cars," and since they look all wingy and lowered and splittered like a racecar (which they're not according to all of us), the case could be reasonably made that they are pretend race cars, looking like that which they are not.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not sure I agree with him either -- they look like they do NOT because they're trying to look like race cars but because they're trying to BE the best actual trackday non-racecars they can be -- but I wouldn't take umbrage at someone who felt the other way. It's not a far fetched proposition in my opinion.
Cheers! (And I still love your two 991s immensely!)
That dude has been on this board straight up lying and making false statements about stuff for the past few months. According to him he is a professional race driver with his 991.2 . He’s definitely talking about a street car you can track.
#5493
I respectfully disagree with your disagreement
That dude has been on this board straight up lying and making false statements about stuff for the past few months. According to him he is a professional race driver with his 991.2 . He’s definitely talking about a street car you can track.
#5494
Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
Fair enough. I don't judge people's words by their online personas -- which I usually don't care enough about to actually learn. I judge their words in the context of the discussion, and I think the words "pretend racecar" for GT3 and GT4 could be warranted regardless of who says them, and that a lot of people might use that language. The wing and aggressive splitter can be a tough sell on a streetcar.
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#5495
Right lets put a few things straight here
(1) . The terms referred to above were used by whoopsy and I directed my comments towards those terms. The GT3 and GT4 are indeed fine sports cars.
(2) . Never ever claimed to be any sort of professional driver - but am a very active amateur at state level (track) and active in road rallying state - national level - all timed and under the national body (using 2 different vehicles)
You are really bizarre, words fail me - and in regard to the car I was very clear about this - I was talking about a different type of vehicle that could be a cross over entry vehicle to motorsport. I was referencing this to specific regulations. One of the reasons I think this is a good idea is a vehicle of this type could be a good entry level vehicle for a lot of people in to real timed motorsport - a very good base car.
Finally there is a whole world of motorsport out there - in different countries run under different governing bodies.
Cherry picked a comment from your long post. I take umbrage with your comment about pretend cars...Not sure that I think you are accurate by describing the GT4 and GT3 as pretend cars. I believe, as I am sure most do here, that the GT3 and GT4 are some of the finest sports car manufactured and marketed worldwide. No, they are not race cars, they are excellent sports cars, but calling them "pretend" is unfair and and just plain wrong.
You are really bizarre, words fail me - and in regard to the car I was very clear about this - I was talking about a different type of vehicle that could be a cross over entry vehicle to motorsport. I was referencing this to specific regulations. One of the reasons I think this is a good idea is a vehicle of this type could be a good entry level vehicle for a lot of people in to real timed motorsport - a very good base car.
Finally there is a whole world of motorsport out there - in different countries run under different governing bodies.
Last edited by groundhog; 01-20-2019 at 11:58 PM.
#5496
LOL, not sure if you mean me, since you quoted me, but if you do, you'd be right -- I actually know nothing about the 718GT4. But then, I've contributed nothing to this thread, so that balances it out.
#5498
Most importantly without grassroots motorsports, and without people coming through there will be even less professional motorsport. By grassroots I mean genuine entry level timed motorsport (- not DE type stuff) and because of this - less business for you.
Last edited by groundhog; 01-21-2019 at 12:01 AM.
#5500
Back to normal programming its a 4L and PDK will be offered.
#5502
Right lets put a few things straight here
(1) . The terms referred to above were used by whoopsy and I directed my comments towards those terms.
(2) . Never ever claimed to be any sort of professional driver - but am a very active amateur at state level (track) and active in road rallying state - national level - all timed and under the national body (using 2 different vehicles)
You are really bizarre - I was very clear about this - I was talking about a different type of vehicle that could be a cross over entry vehicle to motorsport. I was referencing this to specific regulations. One of the reasons I think this is a good idea is a vehicle of this type could be a good entry level vehicle for a lot of people in to real timed motorsport - a very good base car.
Finally there is a whole world of motorsport out there - in different countries run under different governing bodies.
(1) . The terms referred to above were used by whoopsy and I directed my comments towards those terms.
(2) . Never ever claimed to be any sort of professional driver - but am a very active amateur at state level (track) and active in road rallying state - national level - all timed and under the national body (using 2 different vehicles)
You are really bizarre - I was very clear about this - I was talking about a different type of vehicle that could be a cross over entry vehicle to motorsport. I was referencing this to specific regulations. One of the reasons I think this is a good idea is a vehicle of this type could be a good entry level vehicle for a lot of people in to real timed motorsport - a very good base car.
Finally there is a whole world of motorsport out there - in different countries run under different governing bodies.
#5503
Well frankly I do, when you take something out of context and spin it a certain way. So lets try and keep it civil.
So - 4l with PDK offered, car will be formally released in Geneva 7th to 12th March (at Palexpo) with some level of pre-release info flowing before then.
Plenty of interesting discussions around the 718 GT4 - e.g. discussion around variants and potential variants or even concepts given there is no new news and there isn't going to be anything until the car is released other than some pre-release teasers as always.
So - 4l with PDK offered, car will be formally released in Geneva 7th to 12th March (at Palexpo) with some level of pre-release info flowing before then.
Plenty of interesting discussions around the 718 GT4 - e.g. discussion around variants and potential variants or even concepts given there is no new news and there isn't going to be anything until the car is released other than some pre-release teasers as always.
Last edited by groundhog; 01-23-2019 at 12:01 AM.
#5505
Not GT4 specific, but anyone has the basic air-conditioning? I want to go as light as possible with extra's. Using my 968 has learned me that I can very well do without most of the modern gadgetry that came with my loaded 981 dealer demo car. Hence, I am wondering if the automated dual-zone airco is a must @ about 830€. I cannot even find a picture of the basic airco!