tcsracing1

you aint running a mild 400hp cosworth for 9000 miles (and counting) of pure racing without a scheduled tear down.
And you aint dropping in a turn key 400hp cosworth comparable to a GT4 for 15k....

groundhog

The same applies to Porsche engines and I'd take a Cosworth EJ over a OEM 9A1 as fitted to the current GT4 everyday of the week. I'd also take the Aisin six speed over the getrag unit in the current GT4.

tcsracing1

good luck with that...

groundhog

No luck involved I own one don't underestimate what others are doing. Theres plenty of good work been done outside of Porsche. I enjoy my Porsche sports cars but am fully aware of their limitations too.

tcsracing1

Must not be treating you that well if you are looking into the new 718GT4 or something better....

groundhog

Not really, I like it very much - I also like my Porsche sports cars - they are very different beasts. The former represents an end of an era for me, to some degree, the latter just reflects a different direction. By the same token I respect whats possible in other spheres and don't underestimate what has been achieved by others.

The GT4 is a matter of frustration for me - it could be so good out of the box (thats to take nothing away from the 981 GT4, of course its good) or rather so much better than our current intelligence suggests. Yet Porsche seem to be taking the easy route.

I think its a bit of a myth that producing a fully formed GT4 would cannibalise sales from the GT3 or the Carrera. I happen to like both 911s and Caymans - they serve very different missions and because of this cannibalisation would be minimal.

tcsracing1

I had a 2004 STI from new....Fantastic performance from such a little car.
I have rally raced it and raced along side of other pro teams who ran these cars during that period.

You can tune them and build them up.... but you can end up being into them for alot of money if you are not careful. And if you blow it up you are back to spending money.
Great for their purpose.... but i moved on to racing GT3 Porsches as i was wasnt really into the 4 door rally sedan sceene...

Currently in the GT4 now because you can run them and only have to worry about tires, brakes, oil and gas. For 3 years and 9000 miles of track that is as good as i have seen....

tcsracing1

Porsche did clip the ***** of the 981 GT4 in 2016. Smaller throttle body and less HP then the 991 Carrera S. That wasnt fair and dissapointing.
Well now we finally get the X51 package on the 2019 GT4 so now it can be more then just a throttle body.
The extra stroke to become a 4.0L would have been a nice touch, but I assume not worth the cost to have it done by Porsche. It is not enough to be a deal breaker to be honest.

Porsche know GT4 buyer and Carrera S buyer are two different buyers. It is indeed somewhat of a myth of Porsche fearing loss of Carrera sales to a powerful cayman.

groundhog

Lol sounds like a very familiar journey I hope Porsche surprise us.

I didn't go for the 981 GT4 or 991 Series 1 GT3 due to, in the former, first attempt syndrome and in the latter, the never ending engine problems. Thus I put a deposit down on the 718 GT4 (a couple of years ago), perhaps on a wing and a prayer that lessons would have been learned.

I also love the balance of the Caymans at full noise and thus still own a 981 GTS and another mid-engined special (amongst others).

I get far too passionate about this stuff

NoGaBiker

blackholescion

Testing, tune, man hours involved to make sure they can warranty the motor for longer than 12 months?

NoGaBiker

tcsracing1

I think the 3.8L X51 required minimal changes or testing as opposed to changing the crank etc to make it 4.0L.

ralphmusic

..or perhaps the 3.8L X51 provides an upgrade path for Gen 1 Clubsports.... and Porsche can still have a differentiated Gen 2 Clubsport with chassis/aero improvements + X51

RolloGigolo

+1