GTS vs S
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I'm inclined to agree with you when you look at the price differential between those two cars. One an optioned up S, the other (GTS) an out of box package. At the end of the day option costs are never recoverable on resale. If you guys had the V8 diesel which would you choose then?
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I would pick the diesel, though it's a little more dicey here because diesel fuel is not ubiquitous. The mpg is much better. I don't much care about resale issues because I keep my cars for 9-10 years, so I use up the value and have longer to enjoy the extras.
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Diesel and petrol prices are much the same here, petrol being the cheaper if not by a great deal. But yes the mileage is better in the diesel for sure. Fuel costs have never been much of an issue for me personally but the person who buys used may feel differently....not that anyone buys a car to sell it in that sense. But things do change and it's always good to know the exit strategy is sound if one needs to draw upon it. Being an SUV for me it is essentially a more utility type vehicle so practicality does (slightly) out weight the performance factor even though all these new cayennes deliver quite well in a handling and general performance sense. My main issue is the lead time for the V8 diesel and now looking at the GTS it does look very well packaged for the money....and its ready to go. The only thing missing really is the PTV and PDDC, as those things have to be built in on order.
So am I hearing you guys would prefer to sit out the 5 months for the V8 diesel in favour of the GTS that's ready to go? Hmmm. The GTS is very tempting.
So am I hearing you guys would prefer to sit out the 5 months for the V8 diesel in favour of the GTS that's ready to go? Hmmm. The GTS is very tempting.
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I saw a GTS on the lot last week (that's what I drove). It did not have the PTV and PDDC. I chose to order my own with those 2 features as I think they're quite important for the handling. I did drive an S with those additions. My GTS is now coming in May. I must confess the existing car was very tempting and drove very well even without PDCC and PTV.
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My understanding is that PTV is standard with the GTS, but PTV Plus and PDCC are options. I don't have these options, and I don't think they're needed. Handling is great without them - cornering is excellent, and roll is minimal.
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I saw a GTS on the lot last week (that's what I drove). It did not have the PTV and PDDC. I chose to order my own with those 2 features as I think they're quite important for the handling. I did drive an S with those additions. My GTS is now coming in May. I must confess the existing car was very tempting and drove very well even without PDCC and PTV.
I have to look into whether PTV is standard on the V8 diesel but i see PTV plus is.
It doesn't have full leather (7k) or the alcantara hood lining (5K) which are both really nice features. And with the panoramic roof (which is a must for me) you don't get much Alcantara for the money. Then there are the active headlights with the led rim, the body kit and exclusive front bar etc. By the time you add all those in on the diesel it makes it an expensive vehicle. And then there's that wait....but no disputing its got some power and the economy to go with it. Hmmm.
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I do wish the standard GTS seats had more (and adjustable) lumbar support. But so far they're fine for me, and the lateral support is excellent.
Another thing to note with the GTS is that it's probably wise to invest in good radar/laser stuff. Very hard to stay anywhere close to speed limits with this thing ...
Another thing to note with the GTS is that it's probably wise to invest in good radar/laser stuff. Very hard to stay anywhere close to speed limits with this thing ...
problem is that i also love the alcantera inserts as they are so nice on the butt in the cold of winter. nothing like sitting on regular leather & they heat up like rockets
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The only time PDCC and PTV plus matter are in situations where sports car-like performance is relevant - notably in curves taken at somewhat high speeds. My 911 feels like it's on rails when I take a narrow road with S curves, or when I take a tight exit from the highway. Driving on straight highways, it makes no difference. The normal driving mode seems fine for most circumstances in the GTS - seems very much like normal position in the S. If you're trying to get that magical feeling of driving a truck but making it feel like a sports car, the GTS with PDCC and PTV+ comes closest.
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The only time PDCC and PTV plus matter are in situations where sports car-like performance is relevant - notably in curves taken at somewhat high speeds. My 911 feels like it's on rails when I take a narrow road with S curves, or when I take a tight exit from the highway. Driving on straight highways, it makes no difference. The normal driving mode seems fine for most circumstances in the GTS - seems very much like normal position in the S. If you're trying to get that magical feeling of driving a truck but making it feel like a sports car, the GTS with PDCC and PTV+ comes closest.
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For me, PDCC and PTV+ along with PASM and the lower suspension setting A/S allows, make my S more fun at all times, not just when I'm pushing hard. The added responsiveness is apparent every time I turn into a corner, at any speed. There is no lag, it just goes where I point it; amazing for an SUV. It's a matter of personal taste, no question, but for me it makes even everyday driving more enjoyable.
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I'm inclined to agree with you when you look at the price differential between those two cars. One an optioned up S, the other (GTS) an out of box package. At the end of the day option costs are never recoverable on resale. If you guys had the V8 diesel which would you choose then?
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Yes V8 Diesel is looking more and more logical by the day, but ooh the wait. June seems so far away for my wife...
There is also rumour that the my14 GTS may see the V8 diesel too as the pecking order has now been upset. And hearing that i'm now less likely to risk it with the GTS petrol because if that v8 diesel materialises in the MY 14 GTS then it's light$ out. The bath on the petrol GTS will be ugly. Sigh.