Cayenne and P.D.E. (very long)
02-04-2003 | 09:56 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ken2KS:
<strong>No I don't sell Infiniti's or Porsche's but have had the opportunity to compare the FX45 and the Cayenne to each other in detail including driving both (albeit on-road not off) and given my selection criteria I found the FX45 to be a better car for me.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Where did you test drive the Cayenne? Did you go to Germany or are you in Europe?
<strong>No I don't sell Infiniti's or Porsche's but have had the opportunity to compare the FX45 and the Cayenne to each other in detail including driving both (albeit on-road not off) and given my selection criteria I found the FX45 to be a better car for me.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Where did you test drive the Cayenne? Did you go to Germany or are you in Europe?
02-04-2003 | 10:09 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ken2KS:
<strong>I still think the Patrick Stewart (Captain Picard for those who don't recognize the actor's name and who did the first 996 commercial voice-overs in the U.S.) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> Er, umm...nope, that was for the 993... <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Mike in Chi:<strong>
If you're getting thumbs up all the time, how come you're not bragging about your lap times?</strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">You should see my karting times
<strong>I still think the Patrick Stewart (Captain Picard for those who don't recognize the actor's name and who did the first 996 commercial voice-overs in the U.S.) </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"><img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> Er, umm...nope, that was for the 993... <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" />
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Mike in Chi:<strong>
If you're getting thumbs up all the time, how come you're not bragging about your lap times?</strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">You should see my karting times
02-04-2003 | 11:09 PM
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No, my job allows me to test things before they are on the market, Cayenne included. I am in the US.
Apologies for the commercial gaff, 996 v 993 nothwithstanding, my pseudo C4S commercial was funny...
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by dawktah:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ken2KS:
<strong>No I don't sell Infiniti's or Porsche's but have had the opportunity to compare the FX45 and the Cayenne to each other in detail including driving both (albeit on-road not off) and given my selection criteria I found the FX45 to be a better car for me.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Where did you test drive the Cayenne? Did you go to Germany or are you in Europe?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">
Apologies for the commercial gaff, 996 v 993 nothwithstanding, my pseudo C4S commercial was funny...
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by dawktah:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Ken2KS:
<strong>No I don't sell Infiniti's or Porsche's but have had the opportunity to compare the FX45 and the Cayenne to each other in detail including driving both (albeit on-road not off) and given my selection criteria I found the FX45 to be a better car for me.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Where did you test drive the Cayenne? Did you go to Germany or are you in Europe?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">
02-05-2003 | 12:01 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva"> No, my job allows me to test things before they are on the market, Cayenne included. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Cool dude. Man that job must rock. What company is it?
02-05-2003 | 09:48 AM
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""If I am "arguing" anything it is that my selection criteria are likely to be more common and thus represent more buyers than say Brent's selection criteria.""
Well...... I'm not so sure of that. There are a couple of camps out there. One is served by the likes of the FX, RX330, X5, the car based utes. These people, in my estimation, are looking strictly for the on road performance. There NEEDS are really for a car, not a truck. It just so happens that SUVs are a popular segment and there are some neat vehicles in it.
The other camp is served by the ML, Cayenne, Lexus GX470, these are more truck type vehicles. They have usable towing capacity, low range transfer cases, they have some modicum of off-road prowess, whether it is ever reralized or not.
If I just wanted / needed a spacious, fast vehicle with awd, I would be shopping Audis and avoiding the tall wagon niche altogether. I think there is a big group out there that actually needs / wants the extra utility afforded by the second group. I think you sell Porsche short if you think they did not thoroughly study this market before entering. After all, the last new model the introduced was the one you drive Ken, it was an unqualified success, and a great car.
The Cayenne S in the $50k range is a great value considering its myriad of capabilities, at least in my estimation. It is backed up by the wicked fast turbo version. Probably more of an image leader than a big seller but, I predict they will sell every S they can build. If the Porsche name sells it for some, so what? Name sells tons of products out there. There is quite a bit of high quality engineering behind this one. I predict a winner.
Well...... I'm not so sure of that. There are a couple of camps out there. One is served by the likes of the FX, RX330, X5, the car based utes. These people, in my estimation, are looking strictly for the on road performance. There NEEDS are really for a car, not a truck. It just so happens that SUVs are a popular segment and there are some neat vehicles in it.
The other camp is served by the ML, Cayenne, Lexus GX470, these are more truck type vehicles. They have usable towing capacity, low range transfer cases, they have some modicum of off-road prowess, whether it is ever reralized or not.
If I just wanted / needed a spacious, fast vehicle with awd, I would be shopping Audis and avoiding the tall wagon niche altogether. I think there is a big group out there that actually needs / wants the extra utility afforded by the second group. I think you sell Porsche short if you think they did not thoroughly study this market before entering. After all, the last new model the introduced was the one you drive Ken, it was an unqualified success, and a great car.
The Cayenne S in the $50k range is a great value considering its myriad of capabilities, at least in my estimation. It is backed up by the wicked fast turbo version. Probably more of an image leader than a big seller but, I predict they will sell every S they can build. If the Porsche name sells it for some, so what? Name sells tons of products out there. There is quite a bit of high quality engineering behind this one. I predict a winner.
02-05-2003 | 01:01 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John Murray:
<strong>Sorry to all for this getting out of control. I just wanted to provide a first hand experience of a vehicle that is not yet released, since I was fortunate enough to test it. If you enjoyed it, great. If not, thats OK too. I guess there will alwasy be someone to cyber-rain on your parade.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">John...
Thanks for the updates. While I am not Cayenne fan and have been very critical of it and the decision to make it I do appreciate your first hand knowledge. While I have yet to be convinced that is it really any good I can respect other people's ideas and opinions. (Even if they are wrong <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> !)
Guys,
Lets keep the personal bashing to a minimum and just attack the cars. I have been providing opinions to this forum for quite sometime now and this is really the first post to get nasty. All other heated discussions have seems less personal and more ideas oriented.
Lets keep it that way!
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<strong>Sorry to all for this getting out of control. I just wanted to provide a first hand experience of a vehicle that is not yet released, since I was fortunate enough to test it. If you enjoyed it, great. If not, thats OK too. I guess there will alwasy be someone to cyber-rain on your parade.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">John...
Thanks for the updates. While I am not Cayenne fan and have been very critical of it and the decision to make it I do appreciate your first hand knowledge. While I have yet to be convinced that is it really any good I can respect other people's ideas and opinions. (Even if they are wrong <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> !)
Guys,
Lets keep the personal bashing to a minimum and just attack the cars. I have been providing opinions to this forum for quite sometime now and this is really the first post to get nasty. All other heated discussions have seems less personal and more ideas oriented.
Lets keep it that way!
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02-05-2003 | 02:08 PM
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I agree it's unfortunate. Here and on the racing board we suddenly have a couple of people who immediately resort to name calling.
A shame because the boards had been free of that -- even one with a subject as controversial as the Cayenne
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I agree it's unfortunate. Here and on the racing board we suddenly have a couple of people who immediately resort to name calling.
A shame because the boards had been free of that -- even one with a subject as controversial as the Cayenne
02-05-2003 | 02:14 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by RobertG:
<strong>change of topic,,,
I think Im goingto get a SCooby WRX STi,,,,,,for $30K,,,,the poormans C4S,,,,,,,300 hp subaru sells mods to boost HP to 367 HP,,,,,,,,,,WHy doesnt Porsche do this?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Porsche did it with the 944 Turbo and it got uncomfortably close to the 911 in performance and price. Don't think they'll ever do it in a sedan form themselves.
<strong>change of topic,,,
I think Im goingto get a SCooby WRX STi,,,,,,for $30K,,,,the poormans C4S,,,,,,,300 hp subaru sells mods to boost HP to 367 HP,,,,,,,,,,WHy doesnt Porsche do this?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Porsche did it with the 944 Turbo and it got uncomfortably close to the 911 in performance and price. Don't think they'll ever do it in a sedan form themselves.