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Gentlemen -
Thanks for the Canada thoughts - the exchange makes it even more interesting, but we are in the crazy State of CA, so documentation and smog issues might make an 'international' purchase overly complex.
a local CTTS presents with this service record from (90k to 110k) below - is a quart of oil every 1k miles considered high, or an indication of anything? It has 120k miles now - so there is a 10k gap in the meticulous record keeping, the current owner purchased this from his boss, the guy who kept these notes. He may have more info, going to see it on THURS this week. Any thoughts?
thanks
Tom
Napa
2006 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
VIN: WP1AC29P76LA92639
7SYGO49
Oil: Mobil 1 0W-40
XM 955TS
Log:
Sept 2012: Acquired @ 91,000 miles
May 2013: Repair and Service @ 93,000 miles. Manhattan Motorcars (Porsche Dealer)
Rear Exhaust Hangers Replaced
Coolant T Replaced
Oil Change Service
Aug 24th 2013: Preventative @ 97,500
Replaced Headlight Bulbs (Sylvania D1S)
Added 1 Quart Mobil 0W40
Sept 8 2013: Ordered new 3rd Brake light and headlight seals
Oct 5 2013: Installed 3rd Brake light and headlight seals
Oct 28 2013:
Air Suspension Repaired (Level Control Module and check valve)
Engine Air Filter replaced
Spark Plugs replaced
Cabin Air Filter replaced
Dent removal
New Conti tires mounted
Brake vacuum lines replaced
May 7 2014: 100700
Installed rear wheel spacers
May 23 2014: 100815
Replaced all 4 TPMS sensors
Recharged AC
Replaced hatch struts
November 2 2014: 10xxxx
Patched front passenger tire
December 19 2014: 103950
Shimmed and aligned driver front door
Installed front wheel spacers
Cleaned out glove box and arm rest storage
Cleaned out back seat
Stored Oil in car
2/28/15: 106674
Added 1qt oil
April 21 2015: 107,375
Replaced passenger front lower control arm
Patched Passenger Front Tire
Replaced Cracked Coolant Reservoir
5/12/2015: 107653
Added 1 qt oil
Installed rear sunscreens
5/24/2015: 108,288
Added 1qt oil
5/31/2015: 108,xxx
Replaced HVAC fan
Added baby seat mirror
7/31/2015: 108,926
Added 1qt oil
11/13/2015: 109669
Added 1qt oil
3/13/2016: XXX
Put on custom license plates XM 955TS
Changed Registration Sticker
06/xx/2016: 110900
Added 1qt oil
Even though 1 Qt/1,000 miles is probably within Porsche's oil consumption spec, none if my Porsches use this much oil, not even the 928 that also leaks it out slowly.
I'd definitely do my due diligence on this one with a more extensive than normal PPI since you have a Northeastern vehicle (assuming Manhattan Motorcars is in NYC) for at least some part of its life, and some oil consumption, which could be a sign of scored cylinder bores, or could be nothing, but bore scoring is definitely more prevalent in cars used during the winter months in cold weather climates.
Even though 1 Qt/1,000 miles is probably within Porsche's oil consumption spec, none if my Porsches use this much oil, not even the 928 that also leaks it out slowly.
I'd definitely do my due diligence on this one with a more extensive than normal PPI since you have a Northeastern vehicle (assuming Manhattan Motorcars is in NYC) for at least some part of its life, and some oil consumption, which could be a sign of scored cylinder bores, or could be nothing, but bore scoring is definitely more prevalent in cars used during the winter months in cold weather climates.
Dunno if NYC really counts as a cold region for these engines. The ones that seemed attributable to cold were in places like Canada, Dakota (they're dropping the "North"), Alaska. Where it REALLY gets cold, like below 0F for some period of time.
If I counted right - it's used 7 quarts of oil in 20,000 miles. That would be about 3,000 miles/quart. That's certainly considered acceptable. Perhaps I missed some oil changes in there, but I don't think so. Porsche did have a 20,000 mile change interval on at least the '06 V8 engines in the US. Not sure about the '09. One thing that comes to mind - the 958 V8 turbos also were known to be oil eaters when they first came out. My '11 CTT (I have service records back to mile 11) - regularly used a quart in less than 1,000 miles. The service records show the first owner stopping by the dealer for oil quite regularly. That stopped around mid-2012 when Porsche did a service campaign to replace the oil/air separator. Since that was done - it's more like a quart in 7-10,000 miles (depends on how I'm using it..) Since I typically change at 5,000 mile intervals - I don't add any oil between changes. The early 958 turbo shared the problem the 957 turbos had of oil accumulating in the port side intercooler and associated plumbing. That also isn't an issue since the oil/air separator was replaced. If might be worthwhile for 957 turbo owners to look into the parts interchangeability with the later model turbos. In this case - unlike some of the Cayenne engines - the oil/air separator was available as a part - not just as part of the entire valve cover for that side. I guess that's because Porsche was paying for them.
Gentlemen -
Thanks for the Canada thoughts - the exchange makes it even more interesting, but we are in the crazy State of CA, so documentation and smog issues might make an 'international' purchase overly complex.
a local CTTS presents with this service record from (90k to 110k) below - is a quart of oil every 1k miles considered high, or an indication of anything? It has 120k miles now - so there is a 10k gap in the meticulous record keeping, the current owner purchased this from his boss, the guy who kept these notes. He may have more info, going to see it on THURS this week. Any thoughts?
thanks
Tom
Napa
2006 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S
VIN: WP1AC29P76LA92639
7SYGO49
Oil: Mobil 1 0W-40
XM 955TS
Log:
Sept 2012: Acquired @ 91,000 miles
May 2013: Repair and Service @ 93,000 miles. Manhattan Motorcars (Porsche Dealer)
Rear Exhaust Hangers Replaced
Coolant T Replaced
Oil Change Service
Aug 24th 2013: Preventative @ 97,500
Replaced Headlight Bulbs (Sylvania D1S)
Added 1 Quart Mobil 0W40
Sept 8 2013: Ordered new 3rd Brake light and headlight seals
Oct 5 2013: Installed 3rd Brake light and headlight seals
Oct 28 2013:
Air Suspension Repaired (Level Control Module and check valve)
Engine Air Filter replaced
Spark Plugs replaced
Cabin Air Filter replaced
Dent removal
New Conti tires mounted
Brake vacuum lines replaced
May 7 2014: 100700
Installed rear wheel spacers
May 23 2014: 100815
Replaced all 4 TPMS sensors
Recharged AC
Replaced hatch struts
November 2 2014: 10xxxx
Patched front passenger tire
December 19 2014: 103950
Shimmed and aligned driver front door
Installed front wheel spacers
Cleaned out glove box and arm rest storage
Cleaned out back seat
Stored Oil in car
2/28/15: 106674
Added 1qt oil
April 21 2015: 107,375
Replaced passenger front lower control arm
Patched Passenger Front Tire
Replaced Cracked Coolant Reservoir
5/12/2015: 107653
Added 1 qt oil
Installed rear sunscreens
5/24/2015: 108,288
Added 1qt oil
5/31/2015: 108,xxx
Replaced HVAC fan
Added baby seat mirror
7/31/2015: 108,926
Added 1qt oil
11/13/2015: 109669
Added 1qt oil
3/13/2016: XXX
Put on custom license plates XM 955TS
Changed Registration Sticker
06/xx/2016: 110900
Added 1qt oil
I would not call these meticulous notes. He leaves some important data out like part numbers and/or details about specifics ie. which check valve was replaced? The big questions you need answers to are:
1. Why is the current owner really selling?
2. Has the oil consumption increased over time?
Definitely get a PPI and make sure they do a compression test.
One thing that comes to mind - the 958 V8 turbos also were known to be oil eaters when they first came out. My '11 CTT (I have service records back to mile 11) - regularly used a quart in less than 1,000 miles. The service records show the first owner stopping by the dealer for oil quite regularly. That stopped around mid-2012 when Porsche did a service campaign to replace the oil/air separator. Since that was done - it's more like a quart in 7-10,000 miles (depends on how I'm using it..) Since I typically change at 5,000 mile intervals - I don't add any oil between changes. The early 958 turbo shared the problem the 957 turbos had of oil accumulating in the port side intercooler and associated plumbing. That also isn't an issue since the oil/air separator was replaced. If might be worthwhile for 957 turbo owners to look into the parts interchangeability with the later model turbos. In this case - unlike some of the Cayenne engines - the oil/air separator was available as a part - not just as part of the entire valve cover for that side. I guess that's because Porsche was paying for them.
Interesting about the AOS resolving the oil vapor condensing in the driver's side intercooler. The catch can I'm planning to install should accomplish the same thing, but it a newer style 958 AOS will do the same thing and fits in the factory AOS location, that's a cleaner solution. I've sent Ryan at Suncoast a note about the potential retrofit and will let you know what he comes back with on using the 958 Turbo AOS in a 957 Turbo.
FYI - Ryan is no longer at Suncoast, but got a note back from Aldo. The AOS setups on the 957 and 958 are completely different where the 957 AOS is integrated into the valve cover (component of part #14) whereas the 958 has a separate AOS (part #1) so it looks like I'll be sticking with my plans of using the Catch can setup.
Following up on my original post - I have just purchased a 2005 CTT, 100k miles, local-ish car (Sacramento), reasonable documentation. Coolant pipes and Cardan shaft done, recent t'stat, all new tires, new brakes.
Nicely equipped, metallic Black, w/ Peanut Butter interior. Might be the deal of the century - or at least close: $10,800.
Thanks for your help and guidance on this purchase - I'll have some more questions in a bit!! Going to do a full maintenance / service on it so I have a starting point with everything fresh.
Best part of all, my wife's quote after her first solo: "WHAT A SEXY BEAST THIS CAR IS!! LOVE YOU"
06/29/2009 CA
10
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
08/06/2009 LOS ANGELES, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/19/2009 LOS ANGELES, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
10/17/2013 LOS ANGELES, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
08/12/2014 CA
45,964
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
08/22/2014 LOS ANGELES, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
01/09/2015 LOS ANGELES, CA
BHP Holding Partners LTD
310.557.2472 MULTIPLE POINT VEHICLE INSPECTION
RECOMMENDED MAINTENANCE PERFORMED
BRAKES SERVICED
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM SERVICED
LIGHTS OR SIGNALS SERVICED
TIRES OR WHEELS SERVICE PERFORMED
01/22/2015 CA
49,463
Motor Vehicle Dept. PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
12/01/2015 ASPEN, CO
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:57E277193) (Lien Reported)
12/10/2015 ASPEN, CO
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/12/2016 PACIFIC SW REGION
87,107
Auto Auction REPORTED AT AUTO AUCTION
11/28/2016 CA
87,107
Auto Auction AUCTION ANNOUNCED AS FLEET/LEASE
12/03/2016 CA
87,132
Motor Vehicle Dept. PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
01/23/2017 CA
87,162
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
04/18/2017 DANVILLE, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Lien Reported)
REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
Hello, I am looking at buying a used Cayenne, and want to do my due diligence; I am interested in how you pulled the above data?
11-26-2017 | 12:53 PM
