2010 Turbo is new....
08-10-2009, 01:28 AM
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Wet sump? Maybe they just wanted to save a little bit of weight. I know the windage in this engine, especially since it is direct injection now, isn't that big of a deal.
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08-10-2009, 08:44 AM
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Faux centerlock-
"These wheels, with their center lock technology, are of course not likely to be used by your customer in endurance-type races. They will be attractive not necessarily to those who wish to race, but to customers who wish to evoke the look and feel of the Porsche racing heritage."
PDK (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com)
"PDK stands for Porsche Delight Killer. Sad but true: the German automaker’s engineered most of the fun out of it. Like ye olde Tiptronic, the PDK really likes to upshift. I started out normally from rest at an intersection. Before I reached the other side, PDK had shifted twice. By the time I reached 30 mph, I was in seventh; ... PDK behaves like a student project designed to extract maximum mpg from what used to be a high performance sports car."
"Even in the new turbo model, Porsche has put limitations on the amount of torque that can be handled by the PDK transmission...its limits are not much higher than the 500 ps offered in the new model."
"These wheels, with their center lock technology, are of course not likely to be used by your customer in endurance-type races. They will be attractive not necessarily to those who wish to race, but to customers who wish to evoke the look and feel of the Porsche racing heritage."
PDK (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com)
"PDK stands for Porsche Delight Killer. Sad but true: the German automaker’s engineered most of the fun out of it. Like ye olde Tiptronic, the PDK really likes to upshift. I started out normally from rest at an intersection. Before I reached the other side, PDK had shifted twice. By the time I reached 30 mph, I was in seventh; ... PDK behaves like a student project designed to extract maximum mpg from what used to be a high performance sports car."
"Even in the new turbo model, Porsche has put limitations on the amount of torque that can be handled by the PDK transmission...its limits are not much higher than the 500 ps offered in the new model."
08-10-2009, 09:11 AM
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However, there are some who have been around and in PAG engines long enough to have developed a well earned respect for the M64 lump, its longevity, its variants and its performance.
Of course most people neither care nor understand about a dry sump, especially those who own an "integrated dry sump" M96 derived engine, like 996/997 owners.
So, I think the use of the term "in their right mind" might be painting with a bit of a broad brush.
Again, go back to my posts a while back on this topic (when it was first discussed)...the PDK is viewed as a potential liability on the higher output variants, which is why its introduction was delayed and PDK data has been closely monitored and collected....and why they are publically stating the current limits of this version of the PDK.
Also, the M64 is being dropped primarily due to cost, nothing more, nothing less.
Of course, I don't expect anyone to listen nor believe any of this, since I am obviously not "in my right mind".
08-10-2009, 11:41 AM
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My recent behavior places me in the "not in my right mind" category. Subsequent to the release of marketing information confirming the "integrated dry sump" engine used in the 2010 turbo, I stopped by my dealer to:
1) cancel my reserved build slot
2) request a refund of my deposit
In recent years, I have owned Carrera S (integrated dry sump), a Cayenne Turbo S, a 2007 997 Turbo Tip (after two weeks of ownership, my order was in the system for 2008 manual) and presently a 2008 Turbo. The 2008 will probably be my last Porsche.
1) cancel my reserved build slot
2) request a refund of my deposit
In recent years, I have owned Carrera S (integrated dry sump), a Cayenne Turbo S, a 2007 997 Turbo Tip (after two weeks of ownership, my order was in the system for 2008 manual) and presently a 2008 Turbo. The 2008 will probably be my last Porsche.
08-10-2009, 11:59 AM
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Except of course Porsche themselves, as they still use the true dry sump in their race cars. When Porsche starts racing the wet sump then I'll believe the hype.
08-10-2009, 12:08 PM
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Faux centerlock-
"These wheels, with their center lock technology, are of course not likely to be used by your customer in endurance-type races. They will be attractive not necessarily to those who wish to race, but to customers who wish to evoke the look and feel of the Porsche racing heritage."
PDK (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com)
"PDK stands for Porsche Delight Killer. Sad but true: the German automaker’s engineered most of the fun out of it. Like ye olde Tiptronic, the PDK really likes to upshift. I started out normally from rest at an intersection. Before I reached the other side, PDK had shifted twice. By the time I reached 30 mph, I was in seventh; ... PDK behaves like a student project designed to extract maximum mpg from what used to be a high performance sports car."
"Even in the new turbo model, Porsche has put limitations on the amount of torque that can be handled by the PDK transmission...its limits are not much higher than the 500 ps offered in the new model."
"These wheels, with their center lock technology, are of course not likely to be used by your customer in endurance-type races. They will be attractive not necessarily to those who wish to race, but to customers who wish to evoke the look and feel of the Porsche racing heritage."
PDK (see http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com)
"PDK stands for Porsche Delight Killer. Sad but true: the German automaker’s engineered most of the fun out of it. Like ye olde Tiptronic, the PDK really likes to upshift. I started out normally from rest at an intersection. Before I reached the other side, PDK had shifted twice. By the time I reached 30 mph, I was in seventh; ... PDK behaves like a student project designed to extract maximum mpg from what used to be a high performance sports car."
"Even in the new turbo model, Porsche has put limitations on the amount of torque that can be handled by the PDK transmission...its limits are not much higher than the 500 ps offered in the new model."
Your acronym although funny, is sadly true to me. The only thing I would say is that I would consider PDK for the manual mode and its' ability to keep the turbos spooled between upshifts. as I am sure it's linked to the engine's software.
08-10-2009, 01:54 PM
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BUT I have to ask you....how do you think direct injection has anything to do with "windage"? Oil starvation is the main issue at high tranverse loads on a wet sump engine "possibly" causing cavitation (loss of oil suction/pressure) in the oil pump circuit as all the oil is loaded up against the sides of the oil pan. The direct fuel injection has absolutely nothing to do with this.
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08-10-2009, 08:02 PM
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When "average" people who buy the turbo genuinely race them and suffer oil starvation I'll believe that they really need it too.
08-10-2009, 08:42 PM
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They just released a center lock option a few months back which is simply a bolt on hub adapter, so it likely this is also being used on this car as well.
http://e-partssales.com/Merchant2/me...ory_Code=RSDOM
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/29/p...for-the-stree/
http://e-partssales.com/Merchant2/me...ory_Code=RSDOM
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/10/29/p...for-the-stree/
Completely different wheel hub to accommodate the CL wheel.
08-11-2009, 03:15 PM
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I would not track a wet sump with anything more than R compounds. If the buyers of the newest Turbo don't know what constitutes a real dry sump they don't deserve one. Perhaps this is the thought process at PAG.
08-11-2009, 03:23 PM
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that steering wheel really does look like it's straight out of a mustang - remember when Porsche would design something well the first time, and leave it alone for 10 years before changing it? They're now doing what every other carmaker does, which is change the cars every year just for the sake of "newness" but with no real reason to do so.
08-11-2009, 04:03 PM
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Just sayin'...it's hard for anyone here to be impartial based on what is sitting in the garage.