Very disappointed with 997TT
01-04-2007, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HD911
I actually believe Lulu when he says a M6 or SL65 will pull a 997TT above 200 kmh, the reason is the 997TT has quite a bit of parasitic drag due to its AWD!
01-04-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by lulu21
Hi Guys,
...-Even not comparing the 997TT to any other car, it just does not feel really fast....
...-Even not comparing the 997TT to any other car, it just does not feel really fast....
Perhaps you're expecting something a lot looser? When you added your subjective statement of it "...does not feel really fast..." then the only thing I can say is,--look at the numbers and the handling. Did you expect it to be on the edge all the time? Porsche has certainly tamed the 911 Turbo over the years. Have you owned another 911/911 turbo before? Perhaps that would be a better comparison.
01-04-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HD911
I actually believe Lulu when he says a M6 or SL65 will pull a 997TT above 200 kmh, the reason is the 997TT has quite a bit of parasitic drag due to its AWD!
That being said if Lulu wanted a car that shines above 200 kmh he could have chosen another type of car. 0-100 the 997 TT is hard to beat, above that there are several cars that will beat it.
That being said if Lulu wanted a car that shines above 200 kmh he could have chosen another type of car. 0-100 the 997 TT is hard to beat, above that there are several cars that will beat it.
The M6 is not even close to be a match above 200 km/h. Fact. The SLR is only about 3.5 sec faster from 0-300 km/h than the 997 tt and the SL 65 is no match for the SLR.......
You should restrain yourself from giving a opinion with no actual experience with said cars. It puts you in the pool of uneducated fools like the initiator of this thread who only rely what they "heard" or "read" on the net and never ever been in their whole life at or above 300 km/h.............
01-04-2007, 08:44 PM
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Turbo Lag - A Semi Systematic Study
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(1) My 1992 911 Turbo S2 - Lag until 4500rpm (380 hp - 1 of 25 made) - several seconds (could bring it down to 2800rpm with correct headers)
(2) IMSA GT2 Turbo - lag until 3500 (cannot tell HP) - long time
(3) 2002 996X50 Turbo - lag until about 2500rpm (444 hp SAE) -1 second at most
(4) 997 Turbo - lag until about 2000rpm
So, there has been a decrease to when the boost kicks in, and its fun in any case!
(1) My 1992 911 Turbo S2 - Lag until 4500rpm (380 hp - 1 of 25 made) - several seconds (could bring it down to 2800rpm with correct headers)
(2) IMSA GT2 Turbo - lag until 3500 (cannot tell HP) - long time
(3) 2002 996X50 Turbo - lag until about 2500rpm (444 hp SAE) -1 second at most
(4) 997 Turbo - lag until about 2000rpm
So, there has been a decrease to when the boost kicks in, and its fun in any case!
01-05-2007, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RSA333
GForceSS-
(1) My 1992 911 Turbo S2 - Lag until 4500rpm (380 hp - 1 of 25 made) - several seconds (could bring it down to 2800rpm with correct headers)
(2) IMSA GT2 Turbo - lag until 3500 (cannot tell HP) - long time
(3) 2002 996X50 Turbo - lag until about 2500rpm (444 hp SAE) -1 second at most
(4) 997 Turbo - lag until about 2000rpm
So, there has been a decrease to when the boost kicks in, and its fun in any case!
(1) My 1992 911 Turbo S2 - Lag until 4500rpm (380 hp - 1 of 25 made) - several seconds (could bring it down to 2800rpm with correct headers)
(2) IMSA GT2 Turbo - lag until 3500 (cannot tell HP) - long time
(3) 2002 996X50 Turbo - lag until about 2500rpm (444 hp SAE) -1 second at most
(4) 997 Turbo - lag until about 2000rpm
So, there has been a decrease to when the boost kicks in, and its fun in any case!
LMOA. It's a variable vane turbo for pete's sake. I can't think of a single 500hp turbo car that has a boost threshold that low; not to mention the fact that the torque curve on the 997 turbo is like a work of art.
I don't know about you guys, but I would deffinately settle for the lag in the 934 for that kind've a performer.
01-05-2007, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pole position
No.
The M6 is not even close to be a match above 200 km/h. Fact. The SLR is only about 3.5 sec faster from 0-300 km/h than the 997 tt and the SL 65 is no match for the SLR.......
You should restrain yourself from giving a opinion with no actual experience with said cars. It puts you in the pool of uneducated fools like the initiator of this thread who only rely what they "heard" or "read" on the net and never ever been in their whole life at or above 300 km/h.............
The M6 is not even close to be a match above 200 km/h. Fact. The SLR is only about 3.5 sec faster from 0-300 km/h than the 997 tt and the SL 65 is no match for the SLR.......
You should restrain yourself from giving a opinion with no actual experience with said cars. It puts you in the pool of uneducated fools like the initiator of this thread who only rely what they "heard" or "read" on the net and never ever been in their whole life at or above 300 km/h.............
Well here is a M5 with an extra 30 bhp running a 997tt...........it looks pretty close to me.
By the way I have owned several cars capable of 240 kmh plus and would appreciate you refraining from personal insults , they are not needed.
Yes you are right a stock M6 will lose to a 997tt but not as bad as you think.
Check this link I think you will be surprised, pretty close to me Mr Pole Position.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...4700da9bd7.htm
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01-05-2007, 08:46 PM
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I hate to sound like I agree but I've had a chance to flog both 997TT and M6 and the BMW does 'feel' faster. I realize that the numbers tell a totally different story and I haven't driven them over 200 kph.
01-05-2007, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HD911
Well here is a M5 with an extra 30 bhp running a 997tt...........it looks pretty close to me.
By the way I have owned several cars capable of 240 kmh plus and would appreciate you refraining from personal insults , they are not needed.
Yes you are right a stock M6 will lose to a 997tt but not as bad as you think.
Check this link I think you will be surprised, pretty close to me Mr Pole Position.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...4700da9bd7.htm
By the way I have owned several cars capable of 240 kmh plus and would appreciate you refraining from personal insults , they are not needed.
Yes you are right a stock M6 will lose to a 997tt but not as bad as you think.
Check this link I think you will be surprised, pretty close to me Mr Pole Position.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/3...4700da9bd7.htm
I think that M5 had more than an extra 30hp as you can tell from the other video where it raced a stock M5.
01-05-2007, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AAH986
I think that M5 had more than an extra 30hp as you can tell from the other video where it raced a stock M5.
Read the title and it clearly states 30 bhp and 50 lb-ft torque.
Hey Pole position you also claim as a fact that a SLR would kill a SL65 right? Take a look....
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...6807cae883.htm
01-05-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HD911
Read the title and it clearly states 30 bhp and 50 lb-ft torque.
Hey Pole position you also claim as a fact that a SLR would kill a SL65 right? Take a look....
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...6807cae883.htm
Hey Pole position you also claim as a fact that a SLR would kill a SL65 right? Take a look....
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...6807cae883.htm
It's one thing to read the New York Times or Time magazine and believe everything you read and see. That would put you on about the same level as too many Americans. However, to see a net video and accept ANY of it as some kind of truth?
I don't know.
I do know I have dragged with my friends M6 on more than one occasion. Just fun, and nothing over about 140+. But it's like the cheetah after the antelope every time. Personally, and I could be wrong, but it'll take more than 30 HP and 50 ft/lbs to take up the slack.
BTW, I'm a little confused. You say 30 HP but 50 ft/lbs???
Unless we're talking at low-moderate RPM, I would expect 50 ft/lbs to produce much more than 30 HP in a high revving 10 cyl.
Maybe some real gear-guys like Stephan or Todd can explain how this is possible.