Total911 article on 997.2 GT3
09-29-2016, 08:53 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by chillindrdude
i've driven both the 991.1 GT3 and 997.2 GT3.
both are great in their own ways. The 991 feels to me more refined, a more polished daily driver. You still feel and hear the engine, but the cabin feels more "sealed". Honestly, the electric steering is well done, only a subtle difference to the hydraulic assist imho. But that engine, 9000RPM howl, very eager to rev, and alittle more mid range grunt. the PDK is clearly faster, easier, and allows one to maximize focus on their line.
why did i get the 997.2?
the fabled gt1 mezger engine. above 4k rpm, the engine note changes entirely. just savage. the more direct, raw connection between driver and car is unmatched. i wanted a car that proportionally rewards the effort driver puts in. the more analogue and mechanical experience is also something that is slowly disappearing and I wanted a piece of that. and of course, given budgetary constraints, it was within my price range.
0-60 around 4seconds....certainly not the fastest....but my former F80 M3 was about as fast in a straightline, with DCT. And that was fast enough for me.
both are great in their own ways. The 991 feels to me more refined, a more polished daily driver. You still feel and hear the engine, but the cabin feels more "sealed". Honestly, the electric steering is well done, only a subtle difference to the hydraulic assist imho. But that engine, 9000RPM howl, very eager to rev, and alittle more mid range grunt. the PDK is clearly faster, easier, and allows one to maximize focus on their line.
why did i get the 997.2?
the fabled gt1 mezger engine. above 4k rpm, the engine note changes entirely. just savage. the more direct, raw connection between driver and car is unmatched. i wanted a car that proportionally rewards the effort driver puts in. the more analogue and mechanical experience is also something that is slowly disappearing and I wanted a piece of that. and of course, given budgetary constraints, it was within my price range.
0-60 around 4seconds....certainly not the fastest....but my former F80 M3 was about as fast in a straightline, with DCT. And that was fast enough for me.
09-29-2016, 06:58 PM
#20
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not sure if 1.2 gt3 will be 3.8 or 4.0 but it seems like the mt is a virtual certainty... regardless, it will be another epic gt3, it will be completely thrilling, and i will have one for sure
but if i take the first-hand driving experiences i've had thus far with the 1gt3, 1gt3rs and gt4 and try to extrapolate these into an upcoming 1.2 mt gt3, i would venture to say it would be undoubtedly remarkable but still very very different than a 7gt3...
- form factor much bigger,
- 1gt3 suspended platform much more stable and much more forgiving (managing 7gt3's front end near grip limit is not for faint of heart, whereas 1gt3/rs is oh so calm and planted, then slides out very gently past grip limit)
- it would blip for you in sport mode (unless they reprogram the sport button), no such bail out in 7gt3
- the rear steer imparts noticeable artificial rotation in tight turns with a 'magic hand' feel,
- the steering feel is very accurate but very muted in comparison ...
- i also think the uber-rabid last 1500 rpm of the 9a1 will be harder for most to play with on track using a manual since we may incur manual over-revs... not a worry with the pdk of course
so, in short, 1.2 gt3 w/ mt would be still a very very different kettle of fish from 7gt3
sidebar comment - i disagree with poster above saying 9a1 is more exciting than mezger... i feel the gt3/rs 9a1 is made to feel more exciting at the top end due to its magical coupling with the pdk-s... the rev-outs and the shifts/jolts are stuff of f1 dreams... the mezger's nature of coming on cam at 4500 rpm to redline is more tractable and the surge is more exciting than the same with 9a1 if self-shifted... the nature of the mezger coming on is a lion's roar... the last 2000 rpm of 9a1 is a rabid buzzsaw quality... different, very different
but if i take the first-hand driving experiences i've had thus far with the 1gt3, 1gt3rs and gt4 and try to extrapolate these into an upcoming 1.2 mt gt3, i would venture to say it would be undoubtedly remarkable but still very very different than a 7gt3...
- form factor much bigger,
- 1gt3 suspended platform much more stable and much more forgiving (managing 7gt3's front end near grip limit is not for faint of heart, whereas 1gt3/rs is oh so calm and planted, then slides out very gently past grip limit)
- it would blip for you in sport mode (unless they reprogram the sport button), no such bail out in 7gt3
- the rear steer imparts noticeable artificial rotation in tight turns with a 'magic hand' feel,
- the steering feel is very accurate but very muted in comparison ...
- i also think the uber-rabid last 1500 rpm of the 9a1 will be harder for most to play with on track using a manual since we may incur manual over-revs... not a worry with the pdk of course
so, in short, 1.2 gt3 w/ mt would be still a very very different kettle of fish from 7gt3
sidebar comment - i disagree with poster above saying 9a1 is more exciting than mezger... i feel the gt3/rs 9a1 is made to feel more exciting at the top end due to its magical coupling with the pdk-s... the rev-outs and the shifts/jolts are stuff of f1 dreams... the mezger's nature of coming on cam at 4500 rpm to redline is more tractable and the surge is more exciting than the same with 9a1 if self-shifted... the nature of the mezger coming on is a lion's roar... the last 2000 rpm of 9a1 is a rabid buzzsaw quality... different, very different
09-29-2016, 07:31 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
Try a .2 rs gearset rear end.
09-29-2016, 10:08 PM
#22
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The 9A1 engine is more clinical about its business. I did not for a second think the engine was the highlight in my 991. More powerful yes, but it did not deliver an ounce of incremental excitement over the bag of sweet mechanical noises that is a well-tuned 997.
The overall package will objectively get better for sure, but one will need to have winding roads with 150mph speed limits to really enjoy them.
09-30-2016, 01:43 AM
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09-30-2016, 07:54 AM
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The only car that could tempt me to get rid of my '10 GT3 would be a 7 RS. The new 991 based cars just don't sing to me. I want to drive a car, not just steer.
09-30-2016, 01:12 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by K964
The only car that could tempt me to get rid of my '10 GT3 would be a 7 RS. The new 991 based cars just don't sing to me. I want to drive a car, not just steer.
Last I checked, I still needed to do everything else, shift gears, brake etc.
Comical!
09-30-2016, 01:36 PM
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Don't get your panties in a bunch Raj. Different strokes. Let's see: on track, 3 different cars. And my former Fiat on the street, which I bored of within 8 months. Hey drive what floats your boat. Any car that I can just stick in "D" bores me. Some people like to take the shifting and clutch out of the equation because they don't have the skill set, or are lazy, or whatever. It's all good. Zoom zoom.
09-30-2016, 02:28 PM
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09-30-2016, 03:02 PM
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There is a red .2 GT3 on Bay Area craigslist for a really fair price.
