GT 4 vs 997 GT 3 same customer?
02-08-2015, 10:16 PM
#242
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Great thread. The current enthusiasm keeps sport propose cars on the radar. It's good to verify there is a market for them.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
02-08-2015, 10:22 PM
#243
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Great thread. The current enthusiasm keeps sport propose cars on the radar. It's good to verify there is a market for them.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
02-08-2015, 10:28 PM
#244
Racer
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It's funny how many wannabe GrandAm drivers disregard anything without a Mezger motor.. Seems you've forgetten the 9A1 still makes over 100hp/L and is no slouch in it's own right. 991C2S are breaking into the 11's as it is... this car will boogie. Besides I can't think of any DI motor that has any heritage yet! 
If you love your GT3's, GREAT! Superb cars and no one is making you get rid of them for a GT4. Fact is, if you want a new 911 with 3 pedals and a warranty, Porsche STILL makes cars for you. Stop whining about the new 991 GT3 and buy a C2S or a GTS - they will probably exceed the performance of your 996/997's. And if that's not good enough for the noisiest purists then they should should put their money where their mouths are and buy a used RS already. After 16pgs of speculation from people who have never driven this car yet, let me remind you guys the Cayman GTS has been pretty well-regarded since it's arrival, so I can't imagine the GT4 will not exceed expectations. Obviously certain compromises were made (like putting the engine in the proper place lmao) but smile! Porsche listened and is now offering a brand new version of the old formula everyone has been asking for. 
So what if it doesn't have 475hp? Odds are it will have some form of a Powerkit and still be too much car for the HPDE Champions.
If you love your GT3's, GREAT! Superb cars and no one is making you get rid of them for a GT4. Fact is, if you want a new 911 with 3 pedals and a warranty, Porsche STILL makes cars for you. Stop whining about the new 991 GT3 and buy a C2S or a GTS - they will probably exceed the performance of your 996/997's. And if that's not good enough for the noisiest purists then they should should put their money where their mouths are and buy a used RS already. After 16pgs of speculation from people who have never driven this car yet, let me remind you guys the Cayman GTS has been pretty well-regarded since it's arrival, so I can't imagine the GT4 will not exceed expectations. Obviously certain compromises were made (like putting the engine in the proper place lmao) but smile! Porsche listened and is now offering a brand new version of the old formula everyone has been asking for. So what if it doesn't have 475hp? Odds are it will have some form of a Powerkit and still be too much car for the HPDE Champions.It's not just the Metzger motor.....997 GT 3 shares very few things with the 997/991.. That is why I own one. Not because the other cars are not great cars. There just not GT3's.
The GT 4 does not check that box, but it is still a great concept that will be a blast to drive and more than enough car for most people.
02-08-2015, 11:12 PM
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Great thread. The current enthusiasm keeps sport propose cars on the radar. It's good to verify there is a market for them.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
Time will tell how this effects the Motorsport world. What motor will Porsche run in the next gen. Cup cars...will there be a Cayman cup? What car/cars will Homologate the new era of Porsche Racing.
I have owned a few of these crazy cars. The ones that put the biggest smile on my face are race cars posing as street cars.
Even though a 997 GTS would be plenty of car for my daily driving habits.
02-08-2015, 11:18 PM
#247
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02-08-2015, 11:26 PM
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^ that i agree..
i know a rubystone living close to u....
i am putting together an ad to ebay my kids, then i can probably afford the rubystone car.
i know a rubystone living close to u....
i am putting together an ad to ebay my kids, then i can probably afford the rubystone car.
02-08-2015, 11:36 PM
#249
Just curious. You ever owned a GT3?
It's not just the Metzger motor.....997 GT 3 shares very few things with the 997/991.. That is why I own one. Not because the other cars are not great cars. There just not GT3's.
The GT 4 does not check that box, but it is still a great concept that will be a blast to drive and more than enough car for most people.
It's not just the Metzger motor.....997 GT 3 shares very few things with the 997/991.. That is why I own one. Not because the other cars are not great cars. There just not GT3's.
The GT 4 does not check that box, but it is still a great concept that will be a blast to drive and more than enough car for most people.
At <$100k however the GT4 checks all the same boxes. I think it recaptures some of the classic 911 essence lost in modern iterations while incorporating great new tech. I honestly couldn't care less if the motor has been raced or not as this is a street toy at the end of the day. The prospect of spec'ing a brand new Porsche is exciting enough to overlook certain minutiae. Many of us lack the means/garage space to just add cars; I will have to thin my herd to make room so it's a decision I don't take lightly!
02-08-2015, 11:39 PM
#250
Racer
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02-08-2015, 11:48 PM
#251
Racer
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Had a Panamera GTS but never a GT3; got lots of seat time in a 996 GT3 and GT2RS though. I've been wanting to pick up a 997 for a couple years once the timing was right for me but the recent upswing in values has turned me off. I don't think they are worth the speculation premium - this car is a better value proposition for me. For $125+ I'd prefer a new 991 or used GT2. At <$100k however the GT4 checks all the same boxes. I think it recaptures some of the classic 911 essence lost in modern iterations while incorporating great new tech. I honestly couldn't care less if the motor has been raced or not as this is a street toy at the end of the day. The prospect of spec'ing a brand new Porsche is exciting enough to overlook certain minutiae. Many of us lack the means/garage space to just add cars; I will have to thin my herd to make room so it's a decision I don't take lightly!
Do it you will love it. Nothing like the day the dealer calls and says your car is ready. Takes me back to the week I had to wait for my first car at 16. Hard to recreate that excitement at 45.... For me anyways.
02-09-2015, 12:10 AM
#252
Man some people are just ready to drive a 997 GT3 over the cliff because it dared to go up in price to a place where it turned them off. As an owner of a 991 C2S and a previous owner of a 997 I will completely agree JBarnes RS-the days of the 997 type drive are likely gone. While I love my 991 C2S it is very different than my 997. The rawness of the 997 platform is something that always puts a smile on my face despite the speed you are traveling at. The new 991 platform is so capable that you need to push it hard to extract the excitement out of it.
A car does not become a competitor simply based on a MT and a warranty. I am sure the GT4 will be an amazing car but will it be exactly the same as a 997 GT3 doubt it. Maybe it will be better for some and not for others. But I doubt highly doubt the 997 GT3 and GT4 will provide the same driving experience. Just like the 991 GT3 and the 997 GT3 completely different cars both outstanding.
A car does not become a competitor simply based on a MT and a warranty. I am sure the GT4 will be an amazing car but will it be exactly the same as a 997 GT3 doubt it. Maybe it will be better for some and not for others. But I doubt highly doubt the 997 GT3 and GT4 will provide the same driving experience. Just like the 991 GT3 and the 997 GT3 completely different cars both outstanding.
02-09-2015, 12:33 AM
#253
It will be a great street car. I remember the first Porsche I ordered. First 997 in Oregon. I am currently trying to buy it back. Something about a car your order new...
Do it you will love it. Nothing like the day the dealer calls and says your car is ready. Takes me back to the week I had to wait for my first car at 16. Hard to recreate that excitement at 45.... For me anyways.
Do it you will love it. Nothing like the day the dealer calls and says your car is ready. Takes me back to the week I had to wait for my first car at 16. Hard to recreate that excitement at 45.... For me anyways.
Man some people are just ready to drive a 997 GT3 over the cliff because it dared to go up in price to a place where it turned them off. As an owner of a 991 C2S and a previous owner of a 997 I will completely agree JBarnes RS-the days of the 997 type drive are likely gone. While I love my 991 C2S it is very different than my 997. The rawness of the 997 platform is something that always puts a smile on my face despite the speed you are traveling at. The new 991 platform is so capable that you need to push it hard to extract the excitement out of it.
A car does not become a competitor simply based on a MT and a warranty. I am sure the GT4 will be an amazing car but will it be exactly the same as a 997 GT3 doubt it. Maybe it will be better for some and not for others. But I doubt highly doubt the 997 GT3 and GT4 will provide the same driving experience. Just like the 991 GT3 and the 997 GT3 completely different cars both outstanding.
A car does not become a competitor simply based on a MT and a warranty. I am sure the GT4 will be an amazing car but will it be exactly the same as a 997 GT3 doubt it. Maybe it will be better for some and not for others. But I doubt highly doubt the 997 GT3 and GT4 will provide the same driving experience. Just like the 991 GT3 and the 997 GT3 completely different cars both outstanding.
Nothing will be exactly the same, that's the best part. Choose the one that suits YOU best and we will continue to enjoy each others' variety at meets/events!
02-09-2015, 12:38 AM
#254
+1 at the heart of it we all belong to the same Porsche family 
02-09-2015, 01:18 AM
#255
Three Wheelin'
I have a 7.2 GT3. But I am also super excited about the GT4. It is the almost the car I dream of - a GT with mid engine balance. Yea, the engine is not special, but at 85k, something had to give - they are not stupid to give you a GT3 engine too on top of everything else for 50k less in a better chassis. Anyway, I plan to get the 4, and if I don't like it, will sell it.