The Z/28 Thread You've All Been Waiting For/Dreading
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Very detailed review. Thank you. I haven't driven one so I'll take your word for it that it's a lot of fun and you don't really feel the weight but just find it hard to believe that 3800lbs + it's not being felt. I imagine going from this to a 3000lbs track car (albeit slower) would be a very noticeable difference in handling and feel. It sounds like GM has done a great job with it.
Kinda late to the party, but i traded my e92 M3 in for a Z28 2 weeks ago. My main track car has been a 2008 viper with the acr 2 piece brakes/aero, mcs suspension and 550 hp to the rear wheels. I wasnt even planning on this Z/28 until last week i stopped by my local dealer to schedule an appointment for my tow rig, and they ended up having this used z/28 with 300 miles on it. I had read most of the car mag reviews but never really considered it until i seen it sitting there. Its pretty striking in person. Once i got it my buddy called to see if i wanted to hit vir once more before the winter set in, so i drove it every day to rack up 1100 miles changed the oil to 15/50 flushed the brake fluid and drove it 5 hrs to VIR to finish the breakin miles.
Being i was at vir 2 weeks before this car on the grand course in my viper i figured it would be a good comparison. We only schedule 1 day at the track and the high temp for the day was 50. Best part was i didnt have student and wasnt rushed to get into there car! I worked thru the 4 sessions advancing to the race mode ptm by the 3rd session. First intial impression was how high i was sitting even though i had the seat lowered as low as it goes, i got over that after the first session. The heel toe technique took me till the end of the 2nd session to get down smoothly, there is a pretty decent gap between the stop and go pedals but i have large feet size 12 which helped, so after a little work it was fine, i had to used the side foot method, not "heel toe". By the 3/4th sessions i was pushing a bit harder, the brakes are incredible, the initial bite isnt what im used to on the viper/hawk dtc70's but every time to think you broke later than you should have realized you could have broke even later. The car just scrubs so much speed in such a short amount of time. It dont seem right for its weight. The only place i really noticed the weight is the quick switch backs, their is virtually no body roll, it transitions a bit slower than lets say the viper on pirellis slicks. The suspension is feels superb, the car always feels planted and stable, even drilling the curbing at vir the car always stayed on track. The car turns in very well, you can even get a bit of oversteer on entry if really pushing it to hard, will push a little mid corner if carrying to much speed, and has a nice little slip on exit. Very fun to drive, im looking forward to 2015 and alot more track events with it. The 5/100k warranty is insane for a track car. The car and driver times at VIR are maybe not possible to get in an hpde, these guys have the track for 3 days, and their only objective is to sit fast lap times. With moving chicanes you never know when your gonna get to try for a "fast lap" and if you cant do it in the first 3 laps on your tires your not gonna sit a fastest lap. I ran a 2:57 with a theoretical best of a 2:54 according to AIM, that will def drop as one day for me isnt enought with to figure out the car entirely, im not a pro. In my viper i ran a 2:50 flat with 15 degree warmer temps, pirellis slicks and i have over 70 days in that car. Oil temps was no problem and coolant peaked at 2:17 although it was cold, so ill see how it does next year, i imagine the 15w50 and coolant mixtures will make a huge difference in oil temps, they do im my e46 m3 and my viper.
All in all GM did a wonderful job with this car, being its a Camaro. I dont think its gonna be the fasted hpde car out there, but well driven it will be in the top 3/4. On top of that its incredibly fun to drive.
I forgot to add, all day i had a passenger as well, i weighed the car full of fuel and it was 3860. So with myself and passenger we was pushing 4300lbs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkjv...ODORrUHnciqkGQ
Viper Lap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3vY...ODORrUHnciqkGQ
Being i was at vir 2 weeks before this car on the grand course in my viper i figured it would be a good comparison. We only schedule 1 day at the track and the high temp for the day was 50. Best part was i didnt have student and wasnt rushed to get into there car! I worked thru the 4 sessions advancing to the race mode ptm by the 3rd session. First intial impression was how high i was sitting even though i had the seat lowered as low as it goes, i got over that after the first session. The heel toe technique took me till the end of the 2nd session to get down smoothly, there is a pretty decent gap between the stop and go pedals but i have large feet size 12 which helped, so after a little work it was fine, i had to used the side foot method, not "heel toe". By the 3/4th sessions i was pushing a bit harder, the brakes are incredible, the initial bite isnt what im used to on the viper/hawk dtc70's but every time to think you broke later than you should have realized you could have broke even later. The car just scrubs so much speed in such a short amount of time. It dont seem right for its weight. The only place i really noticed the weight is the quick switch backs, their is virtually no body roll, it transitions a bit slower than lets say the viper on pirellis slicks. The suspension is feels superb, the car always feels planted and stable, even drilling the curbing at vir the car always stayed on track. The car turns in very well, you can even get a bit of oversteer on entry if really pushing it to hard, will push a little mid corner if carrying to much speed, and has a nice little slip on exit. Very fun to drive, im looking forward to 2015 and alot more track events with it. The 5/100k warranty is insane for a track car. The car and driver times at VIR are maybe not possible to get in an hpde, these guys have the track for 3 days, and their only objective is to sit fast lap times. With moving chicanes you never know when your gonna get to try for a "fast lap" and if you cant do it in the first 3 laps on your tires your not gonna sit a fastest lap. I ran a 2:57 with a theoretical best of a 2:54 according to AIM, that will def drop as one day for me isnt enought with to figure out the car entirely, im not a pro. In my viper i ran a 2:50 flat with 15 degree warmer temps, pirellis slicks and i have over 70 days in that car. Oil temps was no problem and coolant peaked at 2:17 although it was cold, so ill see how it does next year, i imagine the 15w50 and coolant mixtures will make a huge difference in oil temps, they do im my e46 m3 and my viper.
All in all GM did a wonderful job with this car, being its a Camaro. I dont think its gonna be the fasted hpde car out there, but well driven it will be in the top 3/4. On top of that its incredibly fun to drive.
I forgot to add, all day i had a passenger as well, i weighed the car full of fuel and it was 3860. So with myself and passenger we was pushing 4300lbs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkjv...ODORrUHnciqkGQ
Viper Lap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3vY...ODORrUHnciqkGQ
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I ran a 2:57 with a theoretical best of a 2:54 according to AIM, that will def drop, one day for me isnt enought time to figure out the car entirely, im not a pro. In my viper i ran a 2:50 flat with 15 degree warmer temps, pirellis slicks and i have over 70 days in that car.
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I got to drive one today finally. I really liked it. Wasn't able to push it that much because of colder weather and not much grip in the tires. The dealership was asking $8K over sticker. Where can I get one with this $15k rebate? Any more info on the incentive? I couldn't find it. It would be a great car in the $60K range.
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Plenty of dealerships selling at or sufficiently below MSRP. Do a quick search on Cars.com and start hitting them up...
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...d=2102&rpp=250
613 new ones on Cars.com (includes auto-listings, so some may be customer cars).
http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...d=2102&rpp=250
613 new ones on Cars.com (includes auto-listings, so some may be customer cars).
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"Z28 more amusing for being so capable despite its weight.."
About $80K difference in price. GT3 more capable and better on all levels but Z 28 more involving.
Get RS? get both of these for the same price? Just get Z28 and a pile of green to throw at tires? But than you'd have to wait and see what Ford does with the flat crank 350 Mustang...
Then there's the AMG GT to think about if you're willing to go automatic. Vipers are not selling so huge discounts...
Lots of fun track stuff in the showrooms now, 5 years ago there was only one option.
About $80K difference in price. GT3 more capable and better on all levels but Z 28 more involving.
Get RS? get both of these for the same price? Just get Z28 and a pile of green to throw at tires? But than you'd have to wait and see what Ford does with the flat crank 350 Mustang...
Then there's the AMG GT to think about if you're willing to go automatic. Vipers are not selling so huge discounts...
Lots of fun track stuff in the showrooms now, 5 years ago there was only one option.