991 GT3 are burning up!
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02-14-2014, 07:05 AM
#17
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This car is like a dead born creature..Porsche is just trying to "revive" it again..the question is only when it will suffer its next major heart attack..
02-14-2014, 09:01 AM
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No stress, the cost of the cars went up 15% plus yet the engine cost probably went down $10-20k per unit... Plenty of margin to cover the recall 
Or they could have done like the good old days and over engineered to save the humiliation of cam sensors, thermostats, PCCB rotor noise and now spontaneous ignitions all in the first 3 months of delivery... And us guys with the 997.2 thought we got a rough pineapple job from Porsche...
There are threads where they are trying to sell 991 GT3s at 25k over sticker... If Porsche keep up the top shelf QC procedures, I'd say they will be having a hard time selling them at $20k under sticker...
Better the devil you know... Now we see why Mezger is still king in the motorsport program, certainly no coincidence...
Or they could have done like the good old days and over engineered to save the humiliation of cam sensors, thermostats, PCCB rotor noise and now spontaneous ignitions all in the first 3 months of delivery... And us guys with the 997.2 thought we got a rough pineapple job from Porsche...
There are threads where they are trying to sell 991 GT3s at 25k over sticker... If Porsche keep up the top shelf QC procedures, I'd say they will be having a hard time selling them at $20k under sticker...
Better the devil you know... Now we see why Mezger is still king in the motorsport program, certainly no coincidence...
02-14-2014, 09:18 AM
#21
Race Director
No stress, the cost of the cars went up 15% plus yet the engine cost probably went down $10-20k per unit... Plenty of margin to cover the recall
Or they could have done like the good old days and over engineered to save the humiliation of cam sensors, thermostats, PCCB rotor noise and now spontaneous ignitions all in the first 3 months of delivery... And us guys with the 997.2 thought we got a rough pineapple job from Porsche...
There are threads where they are trying to sell 991 GT3s at 25k over sticker... If Porsche keep up the top shelf QC procedures, I'd say they will be having a hard time selling them at $20k under sticker...
Better the devil you know... Now we see why Mezger is still king in the motorsport program, certainly no coincidence...
Or they could have done like the good old days and over engineered to save the humiliation of cam sensors, thermostats, PCCB rotor noise and now spontaneous ignitions all in the first 3 months of delivery... And us guys with the 997.2 thought we got a rough pineapple job from Porsche...
There are threads where they are trying to sell 991 GT3s at 25k over sticker... If Porsche keep up the top shelf QC procedures, I'd say they will be having a hard time selling them at $20k under sticker...
Better the devil you know... Now we see why Mezger is still king in the motorsport program, certainly no coincidence...
02-14-2014, 09:40 AM
#23
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Kosmo, I sincerely hope that they get their **** together by the 991.2 or I won't be buying another Porsche... This customer based beta testing and half arsed engineering/QC really has me concerned.
They increasingly seem to be going down the path of other manufacturers and straying from their bulletproof reputation... A real shame. Regretfully they are making the 991 GT3 a revolution for all the wrong reasons...
You just don't make the two most significant changes in a halo car, alienating so many repeat customers along the way (transmission change and change of engine away from it's motorsport equivalent) and NOT make sure to carry it out 100% right... Just a suicidal move..
They increasingly seem to be going down the path of other manufacturers and straying from their bulletproof reputation... A real shame. Regretfully they are making the 991 GT3 a revolution for all the wrong reasons...
You just don't make the two most significant changes in a halo car, alienating so many repeat customers along the way (transmission change and change of engine away from it's motorsport equivalent) and NOT make sure to carry it out 100% right... Just a suicidal move..
02-14-2014, 10:02 AM
#24
From PH...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...id=168655&nmt=
Gents the story as I have it from PAG contact is that a substandard batch of the the oil cooler/exchanger retain bolts and brackets are the cause for this issue. The Swiss fire I believe triggered the investigation. This has only affected cars built in the 2014 production weeks. My week 47 2013 build ROW car is clear as are most of the cars that are already in customers hands. The fault has been evident in markets closest to Germany where the car has been produced and then delivered shortly after and the fire issue manifets itself almost immediately. I understand there have been a couple of incidences. The factory have put a stop sale on any car in transit to an overseas port for retro fitting of the new bolts/bracket and this will be performed over a few weeks this creating some slight delays. Porsche are having some supply chain QC related issues across all platforms right now and are working hard to ensure these do not repeat. Very few cars in customers hands will be affected and all those with affected VINs will have received a call from PAG very shortly. Its obviously not great press but a batch of faulty bolts isnt a epidemic.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...id=168655&nmt=
Gents the story as I have it from PAG contact is that a substandard batch of the the oil cooler/exchanger retain bolts and brackets are the cause for this issue. The Swiss fire I believe triggered the investigation. This has only affected cars built in the 2014 production weeks. My week 47 2013 build ROW car is clear as are most of the cars that are already in customers hands. The fault has been evident in markets closest to Germany where the car has been produced and then delivered shortly after and the fire issue manifets itself almost immediately. I understand there have been a couple of incidences. The factory have put a stop sale on any car in transit to an overseas port for retro fitting of the new bolts/bracket and this will be performed over a few weeks this creating some slight delays. Porsche are having some supply chain QC related issues across all platforms right now and are working hard to ensure these do not repeat. Very few cars in customers hands will be affected and all those with affected VINs will have received a call from PAG very shortly. Its obviously not great press but a batch of faulty bolts isnt a epidemic.
02-14-2014, 10:16 AM
#25
The Rebel
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Last line in the article says it best!
"Maybe keeping that Mezger engines on the Supercup cars was a good idea."
That's signature material right there.
"Maybe keeping that Mezger engines on the Supercup cars was a good idea."
That's signature material right there.
02-14-2014, 10:32 AM
#26
Nordschleife Master
From PH... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...id=168655&nmt= Gents the story as I have it from PAG contact is that a substandard batch of the the oil cooler/exchanger retain bolts and brackets are the cause for this issue. The Swiss fire I believe triggered the investigation. This has only affected cars built in the 2014 production weeks. My week 47 2013 build ROW car is clear as are most of the cars that are already in customers hands. The fault has been evident in markets closest to Germany where the car has been produced and then delivered shortly after and the fire issue manifets itself almost immediately. I understand there have been a couple of incidences. The factory have put a stop sale on any car in transit to an overseas port for retro fitting of the new bolts/bracket and this will be performed over a few weeks this creating some slight delays. Porsche are having some supply chain QC related issues across all platforms right now and are working hard to ensure these do not repeat. Very few cars in customers hands will be affected and all those with affected VINs will have received a call from PAG very shortly. Its obviously not great press but a batch of faulty bolts isnt a epidemic.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...p-sale-13.html
02-14-2014, 10:57 AM
#27
Race Director
From PH...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...id=168655&nmt=
Gents the story as I have it from PAG contact is that a substandard batch of the the oil cooler/exchanger retain bolts and brackets are the cause for this issue. The Swiss fire I believe triggered the investigation. This has only affected cars built in the 2014 production weeks. My week 47 2013 build ROW car is clear as are most of the cars that are already in customers hands. The fault has been evident in markets closest to Germany where the car has been produced and then delivered shortly after and the fire issue manifets itself almost immediately. I understand there have been a couple of incidences. The factory have put a stop sale on any car in transit to an overseas port for retro fitting of the new bolts/bracket and this will be performed over a few weeks this creating some slight delays. Porsche are having some supply chain QC related issues across all platforms right now and are working hard to ensure these do not repeat. Very few cars in customers hands will be affected and all those with affected VINs will have received a call from PAG very shortly. Its obviously not great press but a batch of faulty bolts isnt a epidemic.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...id=168655&nmt=
Gents the story as I have it from PAG contact is that a substandard batch of the the oil cooler/exchanger retain bolts and brackets are the cause for this issue. The Swiss fire I believe triggered the investigation. This has only affected cars built in the 2014 production weeks. My week 47 2013 build ROW car is clear as are most of the cars that are already in customers hands. The fault has been evident in markets closest to Germany where the car has been produced and then delivered shortly after and the fire issue manifets itself almost immediately. I understand there have been a couple of incidences. The factory have put a stop sale on any car in transit to an overseas port for retro fitting of the new bolts/bracket and this will be performed over a few weeks this creating some slight delays. Porsche are having some supply chain QC related issues across all platforms right now and are working hard to ensure these do not repeat. Very few cars in customers hands will be affected and all those with affected VINs will have received a call from PAG very shortly. Its obviously not great press but a batch of faulty bolts isnt a epidemic.
BTW i think the black plague also started "small"
02-14-2014, 11:02 AM
#28
Race Director
02-14-2014, 03:51 PM
#29
Three Wheelin'
Old vs new.
I am not mechanically inclined to know any better, so any observations of the merits/demerits of the 2?
I am not mechanically inclined to know any better, so any observations of the merits/demerits of the 2?
