wanna911

Maybe DE Cup, but IMO pack driving causes more overdriving and red mist than Time Trials does. Especially when trying to set flying laps on ragedy behind NT-01's with a 450-500 hp car.

Izzone

Unfortunately lap time is only a small indication of success

Without looking at seems, velocity / time ect of the track you may think a certain corner is where you candle up time and its actually your fastest segment

I learned this the hard way a year ago

Lap timers are somewhat dangerous without data behind it being used correct

Have fun with tt, I'm out

Izzone

All tires can be driven within the slip angle safely....no matter the hp

Some choose not to

wanna911

Slip angle bigger and slower on 1/2 street tires. Less time to recover for next turn leads to more sloppiness, especially when patience is low due to driving in pack.

Much less likely to overdrive red mist on your own in a Time Trial vs pack driving. Plus you learn how to manage the aggression.

M3EvoBR

I have to agree ... specially driving bumper to bumper with a lot less skilled drivers.
That's just a inch for disaster.

Veloce Raptor

I don't disagree...that was my point entirely.

The people who hot-dog it will hot dog it no matter the format: TT or normal SuperSolo (or Chin Advanced Solo Red) open passing.

TRAKCAR

Both my street insurance and track insurance forbit timing.
For street insurance I can rip out Vbox, for track insurance it is allowed, but no as a "timed event"

I guess I am in solo. Too bad, SS worked well while it lasted.

+1 I'll come hang out at Winterfest and drive in solo with point by everywhere like at Chin. Too bad we will be held up with typically much slower cars in solo VS SuperSolo. SuperSolo is becoming like TT, mostly race cars trying to get DE people to go racing. I'm out.

Yes, but it is not a timed event. Those of us that paid big $$ for track insurance just got screwed out of SuperSolo. Winterfest will probably be my only PBOC event of the year driving Solo and hang out for the fun factor of a 4 day event but this is not the solotion for dwindeling numbers. Go look at your registration, most registered drivers are in SuperSolo, I wonder how many will cancel VS how many new people will want to drive TT NASA style.

I have not seen many SS drivers go to TT Nasa the last 4 years..

M3EvoBR

just drive super solo without the TT device ... to drive in Solo, just better watch from the stands, should be more entertaining

Veloce Raptor

You guys have it all wrong. You have to purposely sign up for--and acquire an AMB transponder for--the TT. SuperSolo is NOT a timed event.

TRAKCAR

Maybe so, but I dont want to find out from my lawyer if you are right or wrong.

Izzone

So how do spec classes that run toyo r888 do it. They don't drift around the track

Every tire has a slip angle, you can safely drive at any of them

Veloce Raptor

Well, why don't you ask him first instead of just giving up oon something you enjoy?

wanna911

I don't see any 450 hp spec classes. Classes that run on R888's are miata's and spec 944's or something with 200 hp. And this is not about ability to stay in slip angle, it's likelyhood. Unlikely in bumper to bumper pack driving.

Even still a guy who's never been racing before will miss apex after apex overdriving to stay in front as we've seen from DE Cup.

In TT if you blow a couple of turns, you know the lap is screwed already and will likely back off. In racing you know that is not helping you stay ahead so you fix it (or get passed). Racers are experienced driving in packs properly. DE cup has varying levels of skill many of which driving out of their skill set determined to stay in front.

mdrums

My insurance states I can not drive in a timed event. I checked and if the organizer is timing the event you are driving in on the track, its now a timed event. A DE is not a timed event because the organizer is not timing any of the run groups i would be driving in. So if PBOC is timing Super Solo then that is a timed event...I'm out. Why did they ruin Super Solo?

Veloce Raptor

they are not timing SuperSolo, Mike. they are timing the TT.