Yachting effect and the GT3RS (You are all Basterds)
05-17-2012, 03:37 PM
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Burning Brakes
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Yachting effect and the GT3RS (You are all Basterds)
First of all you are all Basterds. I previously owned a 997S and just returned from Euro Del of a base 991. I was quite happy with the handling characteristics of the 991 vs 997, the pathognomonic "yachting effect" (a trait I never enjoyed) appeared to be absent. I was lucky enough to have lapped Hockenheim, and did a couple of days at the Nurburgring and one thing remained clear. The GT3 and GT3RS was ubiquitous at all the tracks I went. The 991 felt anemic and soft in comparison. Now that I have spent a while reading all of your posts I am convinced I need to step up and go for a true track car. Thank you all for infecting me with this disease that forces you into further and further impractical cars. Ignorance was truly bliss, but now the cat is out of the bag and I am literally dreaming of a GT3RS constantly. This forum is only confirming my suspicions that a clown car with ridiculous looks will be my only solution. My question is this, do you still feel the wobble at the front end when the rear gets pushed to its limits in the 997.2 GT3RS? Or is the stability of the wider front axle enough to keep it stable ala the 991?
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
05-17-2012, 04:02 PM
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Drifting
wobble? what is wobble? I drive nice and easy and straight. lol
seriously, I do not feel wobble. And I have my cars setups as loose as I can get them, love to have the rear end hanging out there.
seriously, I do not feel wobble. And I have my cars setups as loose as I can get them, love to have the rear end hanging out there.
05-17-2012, 04:06 PM
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I have yet to experience any wobble in the front end of my 997.1RS..... so i think you will be fine in a 997.2RS.... perhaps your 997S did not have sufficient aero downforce at speed whereas the RS has the front splitter and rear wing to aid stability....
enjoy your 991 and wait for the 991RS. ( if you can hold out that long
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enjoy your 991 and wait for the 991RS. ( if you can hold out that long
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05-17-2012, 04:28 PM
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I drive just a .2 GT3, I can feel the front end wobbling at moderate speeds. Did not know it as the yatching effect but now that you mention, it kind of feels like it...
My car is sitting quite low with reasonably good alignment, maybe is gone on the RS...
My car is sitting quite low with reasonably good alignment, maybe is gone on the RS...
05-17-2012, 04:47 PM
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I have owned two 997S, and now a 997.1 GT3, and have never felt a wobble. If by yachting you are referring to a light steering wheel at higher speeds, then that is easily solved by lowering the vehicle. I had both lowered to ROW height, and they never had the issue again.
05-17-2012, 05:03 PM
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Burning Brakes
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It's as if the front end is bouncing from the weight of the engine cantilevered off the rear end. like you're in a boat with the front bouncing off the waves. It's a subtle feeling but it's there. The 991 has almost eliminated it as it feels more midengined than rear. I assumed this was due to the wider front axle which is in the 997.2 RS. The 991 is also longer, however, so I was wondering if the sensation was evident in the RS. Better downforce at the front would also balance this effect while keeping the excellent turn in feel. I also like the idea of a shorter wheel base for more dynamic feel. Yes the 991 is a great car and I should just settle down but I have been reading way to many posts about traveling to Florida tracks, Laguna Seca, Mosport, Road America etc. and I honestly can't think of anything greater than traveling the country in a GT3RS from track to track. A slice of heaven if you ask me. The more track driving I do the more I want to do. This last trip to The 'Ring just confirmed that. Thanks everyone!
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05-17-2012, 07:03 PM
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I know what you are talking about
It has happened to me on a few occasions, most of which involve the front suspension "giving up" in turns. My car was lowered for a while and that made it very bouncy in the turns. On the road, at 60-80mph, there is a slight porpoising from the front end but nothing major. You can tune the "wobble" out with sway bar settings and camber adjustments.
It has happened to me on a few occasions, most of which involve the front suspension "giving up" in turns. My car was lowered for a while and that made it very bouncy in the turns. On the road, at 60-80mph, there is a slight porpoising from the front end but nothing major. You can tune the "wobble" out with sway bar settings and camber adjustments.
05-17-2012, 07:30 PM
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First of all you are all Basterds. I previously owned a 997S and just returned from Euro Del of a base 991. I was quite happy with the handling characteristics of the 991 vs 997, the pathognomonic "yachting effect" (a trait I never enjoyed) appeared to be absent. I was lucky enough to have lapped Hockenheim, and did a couple of days at the Nurburgring and one thing remained clear. The GT3 and GT3RS was ubiquitous at all the tracks I went. The 991 felt anemic and soft in comparison. Now that I have spent a while reading all of your posts I am convinced I need to step up and go for a true track car. Thank you all for infecting me with this disease that forces you into further and further impractical cars. Ignorance was truly bliss, but now the cat is out of the bag and I am literally dreaming of a GT3RS constantly. This forum is only confirming my suspicions that a clown car with ridiculous looks will be my only solution. My question is this, do you still feel the wobble at the front end when the rear gets pushed to its limits in the 997.2 GT3RS? Or is the stability of the wider front axle enough to keep it stable ala the 991?
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
Yachting effect = spend a lot and immediately regret not getting the bigger one?
Someone posted with panache and intelligence? You have a name of such a person?
05-17-2012, 08:18 PM
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Burning Brakes
Never noticed what you describe as "yachting effect" on 997.1 GT3 RS or 997.2 GT3. I noticed that with my 996.2 GT3 when I was driving without a front lip. Really quite scary.
05-17-2012, 10:17 PM
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Agreed!
Oh I double dog dare you to go and post this to the "ladies" on the 991 forum!
wobble ... wobble ... we dont have no stink'in wobble... I think you are think ing of weebles... c.f: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeble
I previously owned a 997S and just returned from Euro Del of a base 991. I was quite happy with the handling characteristics of the 991 vs 997, the pathognomonic "yachting effect" (a trait I never enjoyed) appeared to be absent. I was lucky enough to have lapped Hockenheim, and did a couple of days at the Nurburgring and one thing remained clear. The GT3 and GT3RS was ubiquitous at all the tracks I went. The 991 felt anemic and soft in comparison.
Now that I have spent a while reading all of your posts I am convinced I need to step up and go for a true track car. Thank you all for infecting me with this disease that forces you into further and further impractical cars. Ignorance was truly bliss, but now the cat is out of the bag and I am literally dreaming of a GT3RS constantly. This forum is only confirming my suspicions that a clown car with ridiculous looks will be my only solution. My question is this, do you still feel the wobble at the front end when the rear gets pushed to its limits in the 997.2 GT3RS? Or is the stability of the wider front axle enough to keep it stable ala the 991?
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
Seriously: this forum is filled with great contributors and all the questions I have had both technical and otherwise have been answered with panache and intelligence. There is obviously a group of like minded lunatics here and having a support group is wonderful for any affliction.Thanks to all who contribute especially those, like me, guilty of having an excessive personality
