ya dude. thanks for that. dyno numbers dont lie. its plain and simple. mikimiu also sent me a PM saying k&n lost power on his dyno run. your right. must be the fact that the ecu has to adopt to the new set up. the only criticism I have over the k&n is probably they should used a plastic housing with insulation and that it should have been an enclosed box for a better ram pressure effect. but man for $300 bucks you cant ask for everything can you?