DIY Coolant Fitting Fix with Motor In the Car
#151
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I apologize if this has been asked already, but is it possible to also replace the (2) plastic coolant elbows with the sharkwerks elbows with the engine still in the car?
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=386
http://www.sharkwerks.com/products.php?pid=386
not fun, but doable.
but then he has 35+ years experience too.
#152
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Thanks Steve W, I'll use this as a guide when I perform engine out playtime this winter.
Craig
#153
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Thank you, Steve, for this write up. I just found it!
One trick I might add with respect to keeping the risk of metal chips getting into the coolant passages, instead of a normal tap, use a thread forming tap. These are available from McMaster-Carr. (link to 8-32 UNC)
Thread forming taps compress the material to form the threads instead of cutting them. That means no chips!
The downside is you require a larger drill for the hole. For an 8-32 thread you need a #25 drill.
One trick I might add with respect to keeping the risk of metal chips getting into the coolant passages, instead of a normal tap, use a thread forming tap. These are available from McMaster-Carr. (link to 8-32 UNC)
Thread forming taps compress the material to form the threads instead of cutting them. That means no chips!
The downside is you require a larger drill for the hole. For an 8-32 thread you need a #25 drill.
#155
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BTW - Just had motor dropped this week to do a rear main seal, clutch assembly, and sharkwerks pipes. Inspection of the in-car pinning job I did showed no leaks after a few thousand miles.
Thank you Steve!!!
Thank you Steve!!!
#156
#157
I see you are in Florida...where did you get the work done if you don't mind me asking.
#158
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#159
Has anyone in the Houston, TX and/or surrounding areas know of any shops they can recommend that have performed this work successfully? I realize this is a DIY. Props to Steve for the amazing write up.
Cheers
Jz
*Edit: Spoke to Rennsport, all good.*
Cheers
Jz
*Edit: Spoke to Rennsport, all good.*
Last edited by Streetmasters; 08-06-2018 at 02:30 PM. Reason: Found a shop based on recommendations on the forum.
#160
I'm droping my 07' 997TT engine this week due to a minor coolant leak - seems like its the plastic elbow failure - and will do the pinning following this DIY.
For the record, never tracked the car and has 17k miles
Thanks Steve
For the record, never tracked the car and has 17k miles
Thanks Steve
#161
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Wow, no tracking whatsoever, only 17k miles of driving on the street and already a coolant leak that seems to be from a failing plastic elbow.
Although I am relatively new to the world of Porsche GT's and despite having previously used the "search" function rather extensively in search of an answer, I was unable to ever ascertain if any attorney who specialized in class action lawsuits [and of course owned a Porsche with this widespread manufacturing defect, not to mention routinely perused this forum], had ever weighed in on whether or not this matter possibly merited being addressed from a class action lawsuit standpoint?...I am guessing the answer might be in that enormously long sticky about the subject, that I tried to wade through before finally giving up at the 80th comment or thereabouts...it just seems absurd that something that routinely rears its head at track events [not to mention with street driving too apparently], thereby putting anyone and their vehicle behind a Porsche dumping its coolant all over the track/street in harms way, does not mandate that the manufacturer be obliged to issue a formal recall to correct this widespread problem at their expense!?
These days there seem to be successful class action suits for things that one would think hardly merited the trouble of filing...but in this case, not only does it involve a well known potentially dangerous automotive defect, something where seemingly in the past often just the threat of a class action suit against many automotive companies would bring manufacturers to the table, but in this case the corrective action of needing to pin the coolant pipes usually requires removal of the engine and thus represents a hefty expense for the owner.
I am reminded that in 1989 or 1990 and within a year of my having purchased a 1988 BMW M5, I received a letter saying I could expect to receive a cash settlement of, as best I now recall, something like one or two thousand dollars...which represented an agreed to settlement with a female attorney who owned a 1988 M5 and who threatened to file/or had filed a class action suit against BMW for importing 1200 1988 M5's and not the maximum 600 hundred or so that BMW had first advertised...her argument being that in doing so BMW had diluted the exclusivity and eventual value of M5's purchased by the first six hundred of us...while of course I happily cashed that check, I nonetheless could not help but wonder about the merits of such a lawsuit to begin with.
Although I am relatively new to the world of Porsche GT's and despite having previously used the "search" function rather extensively in search of an answer, I was unable to ever ascertain if any attorney who specialized in class action lawsuits [and of course owned a Porsche with this widespread manufacturing defect, not to mention routinely perused this forum], had ever weighed in on whether or not this matter possibly merited being addressed from a class action lawsuit standpoint?...I am guessing the answer might be in that enormously long sticky about the subject, that I tried to wade through before finally giving up at the 80th comment or thereabouts...it just seems absurd that something that routinely rears its head at track events [not to mention with street driving too apparently], thereby putting anyone and their vehicle behind a Porsche dumping its coolant all over the track/street in harms way, does not mandate that the manufacturer be obliged to issue a formal recall to correct this widespread problem at their expense!?
These days there seem to be successful class action suits for things that one would think hardly merited the trouble of filing...but in this case, not only does it involve a well known potentially dangerous automotive defect, something where seemingly in the past often just the threat of a class action suit against many automotive companies would bring manufacturers to the table, but in this case the corrective action of needing to pin the coolant pipes usually requires removal of the engine and thus represents a hefty expense for the owner.
I am reminded that in 1989 or 1990 and within a year of my having purchased a 1988 BMW M5, I received a letter saying I could expect to receive a cash settlement of, as best I now recall, something like one or two thousand dollars...which represented an agreed to settlement with a female attorney who owned a 1988 M5 and who threatened to file/or had filed a class action suit against BMW for importing 1200 1988 M5's and not the maximum 600 hundred or so that BMW had first advertised...her argument being that in doing so BMW had diluted the exclusivity and eventual value of M5's purchased by the first six hundred of us...while of course I happily cashed that check, I nonetheless could not help but wonder about the merits of such a lawsuit to begin with.
#162
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I feel like this should be a sticky, with the influx of new members that refuse to pay to get such a service done. If they were aware that it can be done so economically maybe they would choose to do so.
#163
Thanks, Steve. Great write up!
For anyone who's actually done it, what do you think about only drilling to 6.5mm, as to not pierce the fitting and no chance shavings could enter into coolant system. It would be easy with a drill bit stop. It's not as strong as a through pin, but if it got .5mm penetration seems that would be plenty strong enough.
For anyone who's actually done it, what do you think about only drilling to 6.5mm, as to not pierce the fitting and no chance shavings could enter into coolant system. It would be easy with a drill bit stop. It's not as strong as a through pin, but if it got .5mm penetration seems that would be plenty strong enough.
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#165
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Nice thread. Looking to pin-in-place (2008 turbo). Anybody in NNJ have this done?