stout

Great input, and reminds me of a question I had when looking at the photos of the Hybrid: While it certainly straps to the torso, the collar looks very much like it is intended to be used with harness belts. Pete (or anyone), any input here?

Thanks!

pete

LastMezger

In some cases street cars that are faster than full out race cars from not too long ago...

Nick Wong

Well, I don't know how much safer one can be in a street car- multiple airbags, 5 point harness, h&n restraint, helmet, etc. There comes a point of diminished returns- for some, a dedicated track car is that point, and for others a street car is that point. Acting like a moron in a race car is no more safe than driving within your limits in a street car. The point is- it's not the car, it's the driver (just like it's not the gun but the person pulling the trigger).

fc-racer

Agree with you for the most part, but sometimes the driver is not at fault. Last year at Mosport, I had a coolant fitting blow out that caused an unexpected spin at 130km/h. On a normal hot lap, the speed would have been ~200km/h between two concrete walls.

I think the key is that you can only control so much on the track, the rest is left up to chance and this fatality is a reminder that it's our duty to our families and friends that we improve our odds of beating that chance encounter with the unexpected.

FFaust

Hopefully he went quickly

savyboy

It does NOT work with three-point (I was originally mis-informed by an employee there) and works really well (claimed) with harnesses.

I respect the other poster questioning and seeking the data for 3 point use. I would love to see data as well. With that said, and having handled and worn the device it is my impression that it would offer some level of support based simply upon the torso straps as long as they were quite snug. it certainly strikes me as more protection than nothing or gosh forbid a horse collar

Laguna_Dude

The reality is, at some point, even the best, will loose control and when that happens all one can really depend on is the safety equipment and luck. Why risk it? And having the equipment obviously is not an excuse to be stupid. But not having the equipment in any case IS stupid. There is no powerless a feeling than losing control and seeing a wall that you are about to impact.... I know. All you can do is hope your equipment does the job. Be smart people. Buck up and get your equipment. That is first and foremost purchase above any performance track mod... period.

996 Cups are under $70k now.... anyone who regularly tracks a new $150k GT3/RS has no excuse to not have safety... as a full race car that is fast costs 1/2 the price. It's for your own safety. Anything can happen out there. Why not be prepared.

DRPM

The Blick report says a 13-year-old boy, the son of a friend of the driver, was also in the car but suffered only a broken arm and was taken to hospital.
Lucky boy.

Bill_C4S

There's a risk profile we each get comfortable with...my comfort ran out pushing a 1.5 tonne car beyond 140mph...on R compounds....running inches from a concrete wall...with nothing more than a 3point and a helmet....(yes...dumb....but....actually no buts....)

I look back on that experience and relish the aural..visual...sensations....but then my head kicks in..and works out the kinetic energy....that i would have been really ill-equipped to handle if something went seriously wrong that close to that rather inflexible barrier...

In my case the risk::reward equation had reached a point that no longer made any sense .....

Were I to return then it would be with the kit that rather better biases that equation in the reward direction: race car, full safety kit (fuel system, HNS, Cage)....life's just too effin short to cut corners.

mdrums

Only the R3 is for both 3 point and harness. The R3 is the one that goes down the spIne of your back

mooty

cleary you have not been on track when someone punted you off? i have been punted off at over 100mph.

if you track long enough you will

skid over coolant.
silde over oil.
someone will hit you
someone will spun you out.
walls sometimes move into your path.
cup car wheels and axels flew at me (it just fell off, he didn't hit anything)

having saftey equipment wont always help, but one can't have too many safety equipment.

MGR-GT3

+1. Most of my worst track accidents have been caused "albeit involuntarily" by people losing control or having soome type of mechanical issue with the cars surrounding me or immediately ahead of me.

mikymu

+1

People are playing Russian roulette to travel at full board track speed without max safety equipment. Almost everyone I know on the track that's a fast driver have crash one time or another in wet or dray conditions. My exact reason to switch to a Cup car. On more than one occasion I wish I still drive a street GT3 for ease of track prep and none of the hassles of load and unload a Cup. But once I step in the purposely build Cup with stupid strong roll cage, fire suppression system, fuel cell and bunny ear OMP seat I know why I made the switch.

Despite of all the precaution I take for safety sometime my should belt slide off the HANS device which makes me wounder if I should wear a strap on set up mentioned by Pete.

We don't know what happened to the GT2 RS to make it go off and crash. I feel really bad for the driver and family. This 2 RS incident could very well be a fender bender instead of fatality. There are countless variable at play.

very, very true

kyrocks

I agree with the safety equipment. Totally.
Unfortunately, I cannot afford a roll bar and seats at this point...therefore, I track very conservatively. There's no prize for the fastest lap time for me anyways.

mikymu

Mr VISA and Master card is your friend. You need roll bar and harness yesterday. I witness a severe crash two weeks ago involving a 2011 911 ... no roll bar or harness into a wall by a intermediate driver. Total the car and both driver and passenger walked away but hurt ...