991 GT3 to Remain Manual Only
09-25-2011, 10:48 PM
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09-26-2011, 04:36 AM
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I feel like I'm in the minority,... something about heal-toe downshifting and driver skill make the GT3 what it is. I cannot imagine a GT3 without an option for a manual transmission. I feel quite disengaged with paddles on the track - be it a 430 Scud, GTR, my ISF or M3.
I hope Tom is right and Cup technology will be put in the street car. I will hold out and see if there are any issues with the PDK on a GT3 with continued track use.
The scary part for me is that my wife will be able to drive it.
I hope Tom is right and Cup technology will be put in the street car. I will hold out and see if there are any issues with the PDK on a GT3 with continued track use.
The scary part for me is that my wife will be able to drive it.
09-26-2011, 07:19 AM
#50
I feel like I'm in the minority,... something about heal-toe downshifting and driver skill make the GT3 what it is. I cannot imagine a GT3 without an option for a manual transmission. I feel quite disengaged with paddles on the track - be it a 430 Scud, GTR, my ISF or M3.
I hope Tom is right and Cup technology will be put in the street car. I will hold out and see if there are any issues with the PDK on a GT3 with continued track use.
The scary part for me is that my wife will be able to drive it.
I hope Tom is right and Cup technology will be put in the street car. I will hold out and see if there are any issues with the PDK on a GT3 with continued track use.
The scary part for me is that my wife will be able to drive it.
Right now every time she... comments... about the car I just say "you drive it, you'll see what I mean, you'll love it" with the full knowledge that she can't drive a stick. Nice strawman there.
If PDK comes along I'm not sure how I will be able to convince her that a GT3 is a household neccessity...
Then again, maybe she'll drive it and love it...
09-26-2011, 08:37 AM
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.Mine does not leak yet..
PDK has it's place and when I forget how to drive, my 1000HP Turbo S wil have track enhanced SC a la Ferrari and McLaren, preprogrammed for every know traxck in the world, airbrakes, torque vectoring, radar enhanced braking point alert, the line projected in the windshield, for the few days when you want to take it off auto pilot to impress a passenger.
It already exists. The GTR, Mclaren and Ferrari are trying to hide it, but not so for BMW, it will help with keeping the fat useless new BMW's exceeding the trans, motor and brake parameters.
http://www.streetfire.net/video/126-top-gear-self-driving-bmw_180380.htm
09-26-2011, 06:20 PM
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09-26-2011, 11:32 PM
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09-27-2011, 09:25 AM
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PDK has it's place and when I forget how to drive, my 1000HP Turbo S wil have track enhanced SC a la Ferrari and McLaren, preprogrammed for every know traxck in the world, airbrakes, torque vectoring, radar enhanced braking point alert, the line projected in the windshield, for the few days when you want to take it off auto pilot to impress a passenger.
It already exists. The GTR, Mclaren and Ferrari are trying to hide it, but not so for BMW, it will help with keeping the fat useless new BMW's exceeding the trans, motor and brake parameters.
Case in point - do you remove your ABS so you can experience threshhold braking (a lost art)? Do you remove your tranny synchros so you can show us your more involved double clutch downshifts and be a real "man"? How about the LSD, magneto shocks and self tightening engine mounts?
Only a real man can double clutch downshift while threshhold trailbraking (with some engine braking due to crappy drum brakes) on high slip angle bias ply tires and then accelerate perfectly without limited slip.
If you can't/don't do that, you are using better/faster/newer/less involving technology already. And making the silly argument that your particular perspective on "low involvement" is somehow the most relevant.
09-27-2011, 09:30 AM
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There are a lot of 70's Porsche's around for those that want to feel more involved in there driving.
09-27-2011, 10:09 AM
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Case in point - do you remove your ABS so you can experience threshhold braking (a lost art)? Do you remove your tranny synchros so you can show us your more involved double clutch downshifts and be a real "man"? How about the LSD, magneto shocks and self tightening engine mounts?
Only a real man can double clutch downshift while threshhold trailbraking (with some engine braking due to crappy drum brakes) on high slip angle bias ply tires and then accelerate perfectly without limited slip.
If you can't/don't do that, you are using better/faster/newer/less involving technology already. And making the silly argument that your particular perspective on "low involvement" is somehow the most relevant.
Case in point - do you remove your ABS so you can experience threshhold braking (a lost art)? Do you remove your tranny synchros so you can show us your more involved double clutch downshifts and be a real "man"? How about the LSD, magneto shocks and self tightening engine mounts?
Only a real man can double clutch downshift while threshhold trailbraking (with some engine braking due to crappy drum brakes) on high slip angle bias ply tires and then accelerate perfectly without limited slip.
If you can't/don't do that, you are using better/faster/newer/less involving technology already. And making the silly argument that your particular perspective on "low involvement" is somehow the most relevant.
09-27-2011, 11:10 AM
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That's a funny video. I disagree with your argument though. The argument about newer/better/faster/less involving technology keeps getting recycled over and over. Eventually the new tech sinks in with the guardians of the old school, then everyone is converted. The only reason you ascribe "less involving" to PDK is because you are a slow adopter when it comes to new technology.
Case in point - do you remove your ABS so you can experience threshhold braking (a lost art)? Do you remove your tranny synchros so you can show us your more involved double clutch downshifts and be a real "man"? How about the LSD, magneto shocks and self tightening engine mounts?
Only a real man can double clutch downshift while threshhold trailbraking (with some engine braking due to crappy drum brakes) on high slip angle bias ply tires and then accelerate perfectly without limited slip.
If you can't/don't do that, you are using better/faster/newer/less involving technology already. And making the silly argument that your particular perspective on "low involvement" is somehow the most relevant.
Case in point - do you remove your ABS so you can experience threshhold braking (a lost art)? Do you remove your tranny synchros so you can show us your more involved double clutch downshifts and be a real "man"? How about the LSD, magneto shocks and self tightening engine mounts?
Only a real man can double clutch downshift while threshhold trailbraking (with some engine braking due to crappy drum brakes) on high slip angle bias ply tires and then accelerate perfectly without limited slip.
If you can't/don't do that, you are using better/faster/newer/less involving technology already. And making the silly argument that your particular perspective on "low involvement" is somehow the most relevant.
You can have that with ABS, PDK, LSD, SC, TC, and all sorts of acronyms. Porsche can build a car to "involve" you as much as you want. The fear is that Porsche will follow the GT-R route and turn our beloved GT3 into a supercomputer, a fear bourne by a perception (real or otherwise) that the company is going down the mass-market route and abandoning or at least marginalizing its motorsport and sports car core.
Also driving a GT3 places a premium on driver skill which I think is a second area of concern - when you start your relationship with your GT3, you can count on a long and rewarding training period where you learn to drive the car faster and faster. Such an important point for someone like me anyway - the journey is as important as the ultimate result. Actually a good friend of mine, after a 10 minute street drive of my 997.1 gt3, just ditched his M6 for a '10 GT3 for exactly that reason; in his own words "I miss DRIVING a car!!"
So I think its important to not miss the forest for the trees. The technology is not the problem. Its how the technology is delivered as an "experience"...
*** Am pretty sure that if you put me in a early 90's Williams F1 car with TC, active suspension, and all the other goodies that we are all so afraid of it would still be a thrill of a lifetime....