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09-14-2011, 08:55 PM
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If that's the case, then 
I bought a set of MPSS 3 months ago, and they don't stick as good as the MPSC or RE-11. In the South Florida rain they are amazing, insane grip in the rain, but dry grip is not the best, much better grip than PS2 in dry conditions, but not close to MPSC grip or RE-11 grip. No wonder why no one in the SCCA street tire classes is running the MPSS.
So, on the speculation that the 991S was on MPSS, the same car on MPSC would drop another 3 secs at the Ring. That's some serious performance for a car that is going to be the 2nd to base model on a long line-up of Porsche 911.
Reduce weight, add 75 Hp, add race aero, and the 991 GT3 could be running faster than the 997 GT3 RS 4.0.
Impressive.
I bought a set of MPSS 3 months ago, and they don't stick as good as the MPSC or RE-11. In the South Florida rain they are amazing, insane grip in the rain, but dry grip is not the best, much better grip than PS2 in dry conditions, but not close to MPSC grip or RE-11 grip. No wonder why no one in the SCCA street tire classes is running the MPSS.
So, on the speculation that the 991S was on MPSS, the same car on MPSC would drop another 3 secs at the Ring. That's some serious performance for a car that is going to be the 2nd to base model on a long line-up of Porsche 911.
Reduce weight, add 75 Hp, add race aero, and the 991 GT3 could be running faster than the 997 GT3 RS 4.0.
Impressive.
09-14-2011, 09:04 PM
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The GT3 is a "special" case; since the Mezger engine is now retired, motorsport has to release a 9A1 versioned engine for the Cup, RSRs etc, I believe someone mentioned in an previous thread on this topic that this was supposed to happen in 2013, which would suggest a GT3 in 13 or 14 if the homologation relationship is maintained between the street and race cars (also recall the relationship between the 4, 4S and GT3/RS bodies so those are also a prerequisite too)
JMHO...
09-14-2011, 09:39 PM
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09-21-2011, 02:52 PM
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typically the 4's and cabs come "next" followed by the turbo's and lastly the GT cars ... my guess CY 2012, 13, & 14 ... esp for the GT3 since there is no sign yet of the motor for that car publically...
09-21-2011, 02:54 PM
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I care about Nurburgring times, because they translate to racetrack performance, and street driving performance as well.
The new 991 S is lighter than a 997 GT3, it has better weight distribution, and it costs $98k brand new. This is going to be a successful 911.
They don't mention which tires they used, I doubt they have a achieved 7:40 on Bridgestone RE-050.
The new 991 S is lighter than a 997 GT3, it has better weight distribution, and it costs $98k brand new. This is going to be a successful 911.
They don't mention which tires they used, I doubt they have a achieved 7:40 on Bridgestone RE-050.
09-21-2011, 04:56 PM
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This statement is a revelation:
"Porsche 911 vehicle line director August Achleitner said the new 911 Carrera S, armed with a 20mm lower sports suspension and regular tyres, was now as fast around the famed circuit as the previous generation’s race-ready 911 GT3."
The 2010 GT3 comes with 235/305 x19 MPSC tires. The 991S comes with 245/295 regular street tires.
If Porsche was able to achieve a 7:40 with standard tires, just a switch to MPSC in 235/325 sizes should be good enough for a 5-7 secs improvement on the lap times around the NRing. A potential 7:33 on the Carrera S with just 400Hp says a lot.
So, the 991S in equal tires is faster around a racetrack than the 2010 997.2 GT3 3.8, and almost as fast as the 2011 GT3 RS 3.8 on the same tires. This has been achieved, despite of not having big wings, running 20" bricks with standard street tires.
I smell big BS from Porsche !!!
I would like to see independent tests showing the 991S being a faster track car than the 997.2 GT3, and almost as fast as the 997.2 GT3 RS. If the 991S is that fast, we have a winner, a lighter 911 with better weight distribution, a slick transmission, and more user friendly for daily driving duties. I would choose this car over the 997.2 GT3 or GT3 RS any day, if it is this fast.
"Porsche 911 vehicle line director August Achleitner said the new 911 Carrera S, armed with a 20mm lower sports suspension and regular tyres, was now as fast around the famed circuit as the previous generation’s race-ready 911 GT3."
The 2010 GT3 comes with 235/305 x19 MPSC tires. The 991S comes with 245/295 regular street tires.
If Porsche was able to achieve a 7:40 with standard tires, just a switch to MPSC in 235/325 sizes should be good enough for a 5-7 secs improvement on the lap times around the NRing. A potential 7:33 on the Carrera S with just 400Hp says a lot.
So, the 991S in equal tires is faster around a racetrack than the 2010 997.2 GT3 3.8, and almost as fast as the 2011 GT3 RS 3.8 on the same tires. This has been achieved, despite of not having big wings, running 20" bricks with standard street tires.
I smell big BS from Porsche !!!
I would like to see independent tests showing the 991S being a faster track car than the 997.2 GT3, and almost as fast as the 997.2 GT3 RS. If the 991S is that fast, we have a winner, a lighter 911 with better weight distribution, a slick transmission, and more user friendly for daily driving duties. I would choose this car over the 997.2 GT3 or GT3 RS any day, if it is this fast.
09-21-2011, 05:06 PM
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This statement is a revelation:
"Porsche 911 vehicle line director August Achleitner said the new 911 Carrera S, armed with a 20mm lower sports suspension and regular tyres, was now as fast around the famed circuit as the previous generation’s race-ready 911 GT3."
The 2010 GT3 comes with 235/305 x19 MPSC tires. The 991S comes with 245/295 regular street tires.
If Porsche was able to achieve a 7:40 with standard tires, just a switch to MPSC in 235/325 sizes should be good enough for a 5-7 secs improvement on the lap times around the NRing. A potential 7:33 on the Carrera S with just 400Hp says a lot.
So, the 991S in equal tires is faster around a racetrack than the 2010 997.2 GT3 3.8, and almost as fast as the 2011 GT3 RS 3.8 on the same tires. This has been achieved, despite of not having big wings, running 20" bricks with standard street tires.
I smell big BS from Porsche !!!
I would like to see independent tests showing the 991S being a faster track car than the 997.2 GT3, and almost as fast as the 997.2 GT3 RS. If the 991S is that fast, we have a winner, a lighter 911 with better weight distribution, a slick transmission, and more user friendly for daily driving duties. I would choose this car over the 997.2 GT3 or GT3 RS any day, if it is this fast.
"Porsche 911 vehicle line director August Achleitner said the new 911 Carrera S, armed with a 20mm lower sports suspension and regular tyres, was now as fast around the famed circuit as the previous generation’s race-ready 911 GT3."
The 2010 GT3 comes with 235/305 x19 MPSC tires. The 991S comes with 245/295 regular street tires.
If Porsche was able to achieve a 7:40 with standard tires, just a switch to MPSC in 235/325 sizes should be good enough for a 5-7 secs improvement on the lap times around the NRing. A potential 7:33 on the Carrera S with just 400Hp says a lot.
So, the 991S in equal tires is faster around a racetrack than the 2010 997.2 GT3 3.8, and almost as fast as the 2011 GT3 RS 3.8 on the same tires. This has been achieved, despite of not having big wings, running 20" bricks with standard street tires.
I smell big BS from Porsche !!!
I would like to see independent tests showing the 991S being a faster track car than the 997.2 GT3, and almost as fast as the 997.2 GT3 RS. If the 991S is that fast, we have a winner, a lighter 911 with better weight distribution, a slick transmission, and more user friendly for daily driving duties. I would choose this car over the 997.2 GT3 or GT3 RS any day, if it is this fast.
09-21-2011, 05:29 PM
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The more I try to justify the 7:40 lap time of the 991 S on standard street tires, the more I smell Marketing BS, and Porsche is good at that.
Porsche already tested the 997.2 S with PDK and the ROW only sport suspension and LSD. How can a slight weight reduction and a 15Hp increase make the car drop 13 secs per lap at the NRing? it doesn't make sense to me. Weight distribution changes are fine, but it is a slight change, not a major one.
Unless Porsche have found the Holly Grail of suspension with these dynamic anti-roll bars, I just don't buy it.
56 lbs reduced from a 3,400 lbs car (with driver and fuel) and an extra 15Hp doesn't drop lap times by 13 secs. But well, this is coming from the same people that claim that switching from standard brakes to PCCB will drop 3 seconds on the lap times at Sebring (their 6:1 ratio on unsprung weight reduction), and the same people that claim a 2011 GT3 RS 4.0 weighs 2,998 lbs.
Porsche already tested the 997.2 S with PDK and the ROW only sport suspension and LSD. How can a slight weight reduction and a 15Hp increase make the car drop 13 secs per lap at the NRing? it doesn't make sense to me. Weight distribution changes are fine, but it is a slight change, not a major one.
Unless Porsche have found the Holly Grail of suspension with these dynamic anti-roll bars, I just don't buy it.
56 lbs reduced from a 3,400 lbs car (with driver and fuel) and an extra 15Hp doesn't drop lap times by 13 secs. But well, this is coming from the same people that claim that switching from standard brakes to PCCB will drop 3 seconds on the lap times at Sebring (their 6:1 ratio on unsprung weight reduction), and the same people that claim a 2011 GT3 RS 4.0 weighs 2,998 lbs.
09-21-2011, 05:44 PM
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Don't forget a four inch increase in wheelbase also. NR is a high speed track that should reward stability.
I'm not saying this is what did it or I even know what I'm talking about. Just sayin', don't forget.
09-22-2011, 02:24 AM
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Before I purchased my GT3, was seriously considering the GT-R. Loved it on the street. Then drove it on the track. I am confident I could run faster lap times in the GT-R but it was completely boring, uninvolving and did not require much of its driver. I truly hope the 991 isn't heading down that road.
09-22-2011, 07:53 AM
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the 991 will still feel 911.
no cause for concern.
The 991 GT3 ring time will be the deciding factor in terms of performance increase.
so far it looks promising based on what the 991 carreras are doing.
I still think the GT3 will be offered with a PDK of some sorts. Buyers want paddle shift to play with on their street super cars.
By the time the 991 GT3 hits the market i maybe in the 991 CUP market if they figured out a proper shifter......
no cause for concern.
The 991 GT3 ring time will be the deciding factor in terms of performance increase.
so far it looks promising based on what the 991 carreras are doing.
I still think the GT3 will be offered with a PDK of some sorts. Buyers want paddle shift to play with on their street super cars.
By the time the 991 GT3 hits the market i maybe in the 991 CUP market if they figured out a proper shifter......