Speedster Returns
09-21-2010, 01:40 PM
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this is somewhat reminiscent of the end of the 993 lines with the C4S and C2S ...
I for one think that Porsche are being creative in their marketing here, they are reusing historic "brands" and creating "unique" product and it appears they are highlighting the "exclusive" dept ...
I wonder then, if in fact this indicates that Porsche are going out with a bang with the 997 ... and that leads me to wonder about the RS SE ...
I for one think that Porsche are being creative in their marketing here, they are reusing historic "brands" and creating "unique" product and it appears they are highlighting the "exclusive" dept ...
I wonder then, if in fact this indicates that Porsche are going out with a bang with the 997 ... and that leads me to wonder about the RS SE ...
09-21-2010, 01:54 PM
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the boxster spyder is more true to the 1955 "speedster" (although it could be better, if not a concept vehicle put into limited production like that of carrera GT)
this speedster shown here is more "930" IMHO. kinda moving further away from the true original "speedster"......
i sure hope volkswagen dosnt begin building four door porsches in 10 years time with the gt3 engine and labeling them "GT3" ........................
this speedster shown here is more "930" IMHO. kinda moving further away from the true original "speedster"......
i sure hope volkswagen dosnt begin building four door porsches in 10 years time with the gt3 engine and labeling them "GT3" ........................
09-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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This end of model cycle is hardly anything to complain about. If Porsche has affluent customers willing to pay up for a Panamera Turbo or a Turbo S Cabriolet close to US$200K, it's only good business to offer products at those price points. The same for the Sport Classic and the GT2 RS.
The way I see it, if the buyer gets a Speedster instead of a loaded Cabriolet, they have a named model with unique resale strength. If they pay $140K for a Cabrio, they get lumped in with the resale averages of all Cabrio's and that makes for expensive motoring. The same will be true for the GTS buyer compared to the Carrera buyer that opted for the power kit.
Of course there's some upper limit to the number of unique models, but there's never been a shortage of 911 variants, especially as the model cycle prepares for "the new 911."
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
As for the black lord VW, these product plans were no doubt set in place before the acquisition. I think we can expect to see the ham-fisted grasp of VW take hold with the next model. If VW thinks the Gallardo is a sports car, if they think the Veyron is appropriately priced at over a million, well, heaven help us when they put equipment in the 918 and price it out north of $650K. Here's hoping Porsche people inside can still find a way to push out a couple more 911 GT variants with the emphasis on driving, not "possessing" before VW swings the gate shut.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
The way I see it, if the buyer gets a Speedster instead of a loaded Cabriolet, they have a named model with unique resale strength. If they pay $140K for a Cabrio, they get lumped in with the resale averages of all Cabrio's and that makes for expensive motoring. The same will be true for the GTS buyer compared to the Carrera buyer that opted for the power kit.
Of course there's some upper limit to the number of unique models, but there's never been a shortage of 911 variants, especially as the model cycle prepares for "the new 911."
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
As for the black lord VW, these product plans were no doubt set in place before the acquisition. I think we can expect to see the ham-fisted grasp of VW take hold with the next model. If VW thinks the Gallardo is a sports car, if they think the Veyron is appropriately priced at over a million, well, heaven help us when they put equipment in the 918 and price it out north of $650K. Here's hoping Porsche people inside can still find a way to push out a couple more 911 GT variants with the emphasis on driving, not "possessing" before VW swings the gate shut.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
09-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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I think what we might be seeing here is the results/success of the "Sports Classic", I believe they sold every one of those and so now Porsche are capitalizing on that by creating more small product run "specials" like the GTS and the Speedster ...
09-21-2010, 01:59 PM
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This end of model cycle is hardly anything to complain about. If Porsche has affluent customers willing to pay up for a Panamera Turbo or a Turbo S Cabriolet close to US$200K, it's only good business to offer products at those price points. The same for the Sport Classic and the GT2 RS.
The way I see it, if the buyer gets a Speedster instead of a loaded Cabriolet, they have a named model with unique resale strength. If they pay $140K for a Cabrio, they get lumped in with the resale averages of all Cabrio's and that makes for expensive motoring. The same will be true for the GTS buyer compared to the Carrera buyer that opted for the power kit.
Of course there's some upper limit to the number of unique models, but there's never been a shortage of 911 variants, especially as the model cycle prepares for "the new 911."
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
As for the black lord VW, these product plans were no doubt set in place before the acquisition. I think we can expect to see the ham-fisted grasp of VW take hold with the next model. If VW thinks the Gallardo is a sports car, if they think the Veyron is appropriately priced at over a million, well, heaven help us when they put equipment in the 918 and price it out north of $650K. Here's hoping Porsche people inside can still find a way to push out a couple more 911 GT variants with the emphasis on driving, not "possessing" before VW swings the gate shut.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
The way I see it, if the buyer gets a Speedster instead of a loaded Cabriolet, they have a named model with unique resale strength. If they pay $140K for a Cabrio, they get lumped in with the resale averages of all Cabrio's and that makes for expensive motoring. The same will be true for the GTS buyer compared to the Carrera buyer that opted for the power kit.
Of course there's some upper limit to the number of unique models, but there's never been a shortage of 911 variants, especially as the model cycle prepares for "the new 911."
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
As for the black lord VW, these product plans were no doubt set in place before the acquisition. I think we can expect to see the ham-fisted grasp of VW take hold with the next model. If VW thinks the Gallardo is a sports car, if they think the Veyron is appropriately priced at over a million, well, heaven help us when they put equipment in the 918 and price it out north of $650K. Here's hoping Porsche people inside can still find a way to push out a couple more 911 GT variants with the emphasis on driving, not "possessing" before VW swings the gate shut.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
09-21-2010, 02:04 PM
#22
I don't really care, as long as they build the ones I like.
09-21-2010, 02:06 PM
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09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
#25
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...st-outing.html
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ck-livery.html
There is rumor of Panamera cabriolet already and I bet there will be a Panamera GTS as well. We all know what's coming
09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
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I for one think that Porsche are being creative in their marketing here, they are reusing historic "brands" and creating "unique" product and it appears they are highlighting the "exclusive" dept ...
I wonder then, if in fact this indicates that Porsche are going out with a bang with the 997 ... and that leads me to wonder about the RS SE ...
I wonder then, if in fact this indicates that Porsche are going out with a bang with the 997 ... and that leads me to wonder about the RS SE ...
This end of model cycle is hardly anything to complain about. If Porsche has affluent customers willing to pay up for a Panamera Turbo or a Turbo S Cabriolet close to US$200K, it's only good business to offer products at those price points. The same for the Sport Classic and the GT2 RS.
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
If the '89 Speedster is the measure of the market, this Speedster is like free money in the bank -- get one of the 356 produced, play with it on special occasions, look after it and it will hold its value and perhaps appreciate.
If the 991 is as underwhelming as it sounds like (and remember we only get the Carrera for two years before the first GT variants) ... I think circa 2012, we'll be looking back longingly at the "light, small" 997.
09-21-2010, 02:33 PM
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given that its intended to highlight the work of the "exclusive" dept I think its pretty much in line with that goal ...
I think what we might be seeing here is the results/success of the "Sports Classic", I believe they sold every one of those and so now Porsche are capitalizing on that by creating more small product run "specials" like the GTS and the Speedster ...
I think what we might be seeing here is the results/success of the "Sports Classic", I believe they sold every one of those and so now Porsche are capitalizing on that by creating more small product run "specials" like the GTS and the Speedster ...
09-21-2010, 02:36 PM
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09-21-2010, 03:41 PM
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Good question. I really like the new Speedster (I think it looks fantastic, and I like the specs), but I just learned about pricing -- $204k. I realize it is a limited run (with about only 100 arriving in the USA), but boy, the Spyder is a bargain in comparison.