Aftermarket Ceramic Rotors (PCCB Replacement)
08-05-2010, 04:19 PM
#34
Stoptech is not yet close to a ceramic solution.
I have been in contact with MovIt who has developed a very interesting ceramic rotor which sounds in their literature to be technologically superior to OE PCCB in every way. Also pre-bedded pads(!).
As soon as I receive full information (hopefully by tomorrow AM) I will update this thread.
I have been in contact with MovIt who has developed a very interesting ceramic rotor which sounds in their literature to be technologically superior to OE PCCB in every way. Also pre-bedded pads(!).
As soon as I receive full information (hopefully by tomorrow AM) I will update this thread.
08-05-2010, 10:20 PM
#36
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Filled out the form to get pricing. Not cheap. Design appears to be the selling point as this rotor should last a long long time, even on a track car. The note sent is a bit contradictory regarding the need for hats on the 350mm rotors and then he provides pricing for the hats on a 380mm rotor. But this is a general idea of cost. Here is the note.
MovIt CER 380 rotors can use Porsche OE hats. All 350mm rotors require MovIt hats. Pads are available in sport compound only for street/racing. It is recommended that front systems be changed out to full MovIt CER kits if racing the vehicle. The front MovIt kits are 380mm or 396mm x 40.
brake pads:
front:
Part-number: BE-6m1-cer-sport
Price: $524 / Set
Rear:
Part-number: BE-4m5-cer-sport
Price: $440 / Set
Part-number: BE-4m2b-cer-sport
Price: $430 / Set
PCCB Rotor Replacement Prices
F = 350mm, min thickness 33.7 mm
Price: $4516
R = 350 mm, min thickness 27.7 mm
Price: $4516
F = 380mm, min thickness 33.7 mm WITH Hat
Price: $4799
F = 380mm, min thickness 33.7 mm WITHOUT Hat
Price: $4299
MovIt CER 380 rotors can use Porsche OE hats. All 350mm rotors require MovIt hats. Pads are available in sport compound only for street/racing. It is recommended that front systems be changed out to full MovIt CER kits if racing the vehicle. The front MovIt kits are 380mm or 396mm x 40.
brake pads:
front:
Part-number: BE-6m1-cer-sport
Price: $524 / Set
Rear:
Part-number: BE-4m5-cer-sport
Price: $440 / Set
Part-number: BE-4m2b-cer-sport
Price: $430 / Set
PCCB Rotor Replacement Prices
F = 350mm, min thickness 33.7 mm
Price: $4516
R = 350 mm, min thickness 27.7 mm
Price: $4516
F = 380mm, min thickness 33.7 mm WITH Hat
Price: $4799
F = 380mm, min thickness 33.7 mm WITHOUT Hat
Price: $4299
08-06-2010, 12:08 AM
#37
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Thread Starter
Still sorting out details, RobT posted some pricing above. I went poking around to find some more cost effective (cheaper) rotors because I think I managed to fry my Spyder rotors (
) but MovIt looks to be cost effective not in price but in quality and projected longevity.
The sweet spot seems to be in their kits which include billet calipers which don't flex and therefore don't wear pads in the bevel fashion that us trackers have come to expect from Porsche OE. Also the distributor (very helpful, knowledgeable fellow) noted that in the 50 kits he has sold in 2 years, he has only sold one set of replacement pads.
Advises to expect to get approx 1-2 years out of set of pads with their rotors and calipers with 30 track days per year. Rotors should never wear out.
Their front rotor on RS is 40mm thick.
Full kits include calipers, rotors, hats, brake lines, hardware. Front kit in RS size 380mm runs approx $12,500 (depending on exchange rate, comes from Germany). The rear 350mm is approx $11k.
It is an interesting value proposition. The very best brakes that money can buy (subjective, I know) , which can potentially be taken from car to car over the years, and a jaw dropping initial investment.
) but MovIt looks to be cost effective not in price but in quality and projected longevity. The sweet spot seems to be in their kits which include billet calipers which don't flex and therefore don't wear pads in the bevel fashion that us trackers have come to expect from Porsche OE. Also the distributor (very helpful, knowledgeable fellow) noted that in the 50 kits he has sold in 2 years, he has only sold one set of replacement pads.
Advises to expect to get approx 1-2 years out of set of pads with their rotors and calipers with 30 track days per year. Rotors should never wear out.
Their front rotor on RS is 40mm thick.
Full kits include calipers, rotors, hats, brake lines, hardware. Front kit in RS size 380mm runs approx $12,500 (depending on exchange rate, comes from Germany). The rear 350mm is approx $11k.
It is an interesting value proposition. The very best brakes that money can buy (subjective, I know) , which can potentially be taken from car to car over the years, and a jaw dropping initial investment.
08-06-2010, 02:40 AM
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08-06-2010, 11:38 AM
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08-06-2010, 01:00 PM
#44
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Check this thread:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...rembo+pccb+gtr
Several options discussed, including info from a MovIt customer. There is another MovIt customer testing in his Ferrari (in Texas), over 2,500 track miles with the same brake pads.
Don't waste your money, go with a proven race system (Stoptech STR or Brembo GTR) with steel rotors, they can be as light as the stock PCCB system, but cheaper to get at first, and cheaper on the long run.
Also check the latest European Car Magazine, they just swapped a 2010 GT3 big red brake system to Stoptech STR, nice review and good weight savings.
The Boxster/Cayman use smaller PCCB rotors, so more reasons to replace the entire system.
PCCB don't last that long with intense track use. I have info from GT3 Cup teams and F430 Challenge teams. 12-20 hours total time for Challenge teams to replace CCB (they replace them when they are at 60% worn out, so they could last a total of 20-33 hours). For European Porsche GT3 Cup teams, around 30 hours. This is for car with slicks driven on race conditions. DE conditions with lower grip R6 or other DOT tires should increase life expectancy of CCB rotors (twice as much is my guess). Street use (American style) has virtually no wear on the PCCB rotors, and they could last as long as Porsche advertised initially (300,000 kms).
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...rembo+pccb+gtr
Several options discussed, including info from a MovIt customer. There is another MovIt customer testing in his Ferrari (in Texas), over 2,500 track miles with the same brake pads.
Don't waste your money, go with a proven race system (Stoptech STR or Brembo GTR) with steel rotors, they can be as light as the stock PCCB system, but cheaper to get at first, and cheaper on the long run.
Also check the latest European Car Magazine, they just swapped a 2010 GT3 big red brake system to Stoptech STR, nice review and good weight savings.
The Boxster/Cayman use smaller PCCB rotors, so more reasons to replace the entire system.
PCCB don't last that long with intense track use. I have info from GT3 Cup teams and F430 Challenge teams. 12-20 hours total time for Challenge teams to replace CCB (they replace them when they are at 60% worn out, so they could last a total of 20-33 hours). For European Porsche GT3 Cup teams, around 30 hours. This is for car with slicks driven on race conditions. DE conditions with lower grip R6 or other DOT tires should increase life expectancy of CCB rotors (twice as much is my guess). Street use (American style) has virtually no wear on the PCCB rotors, and they could last as long as Porsche advertised initially (300,000 kms).
08-06-2010, 02:09 PM
#45
Those fasteners are not the (patented) McLaren "anti-squeal" type -- I wonder how these things behave as far as alignment and noise etc.
That's a pretty much generic Bremo-esque caliper -- the weights on the pads suggest they've tried to suppress squeal and vibration.
Given the 380 and 396 (!) sizes, what's the weight of the rotor and the weight of that caliper -- does Movit offer any comparison pics of Porsche PCCB (2010 model year) versus these beefy buggers?
That's a pretty much generic Bremo-esque caliper -- the weights on the pads suggest they've tried to suppress squeal and vibration.
Given the 380 and 396 (!) sizes, what's the weight of the rotor and the weight of that caliper -- does Movit offer any comparison pics of Porsche PCCB (2010 model year) versus these beefy buggers?