I'm with you Carrera GT about learning to drive so the nannies don't intervene. I don't recall seeing the TC-SC warning lights come on but I was looking at the track mostly and don't know if the indicators were flashing. Just know the rear pads are wearing more quickly than the fronts. I just ordered a replacement set of rear stock PCCB ($315 discount pricing) pads and they aren't that bad relative to the Pagid race pads some are using on steel rotors.

I did notice the TC/SM lights flashing when I drove 2 days at NJMP (Lightning) at turn 1 which is a blind uphill apex which unweighs the suspension at the top of the turn (so that may be when I'm getting the most wear to the rear pads).

 

I also read recently in Panorama's news section that Porsche and the company that subcontracts the PCCB rotors are trying to expand production from current 35,000 sets to 250,000 sets each year. When the numbers and process for making them gets improved, the costs should come way down. Just like large screen LCD TV's. The early adopters always pay the price for being first to have advance technology.

 

rumors indeed- wonder if the 'ring time is SC+TC off?

bottom line is- drifting is really really fun but also not the fastest way around the track. therefore- the really really fast lap times are not going to have a lot of wheelspin...the fastest laps are generally the ones with the least mistakes and the smoothest transitions between inputs rather than the "holy $#@^" factor of sliding around, mashing pedals and yanking the wheel all over like most track day people experience

anyway- there won't be a need for TC or SC on the "mistake free lap"

 

+1 could not agree more! well said.

 

Been wanting to post this for a while. Most of you have seen this I'm sure but...

...Sir Jackie about the benefits of driving smoothly and having a "great relationship with your car"

@ 0:48 "you look the slowest" talking to JS
@ 2:32 "every corner is an adventure" JS talking about some of the guys out there


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgSiK_VarK8

 

jackie s - very cool indeed thanks for posting ... checkout some of the other vids there especially of his in-car laps of the ring in '73 ... the man has ***** of steel!

 

anyone who likes JS should read his latest autobiography "winning is not enough" cool insights into the man

 

If that happens, it would be great news.. I think many people would be happy to pay $1,000 a rotor for PCCB replacement.. (same price as high quality irons such as Alcon / Brembo / etc.) That would also be close to the replacement cost of Chevy's ZR-1 CCB.. (I think?)

 

Great video.

 

2nd Gen PCCBs with PMNA Green pads sure seem to be working well.
Yes, I have the pads in stock.

 

I had anticipated this and thus ordered the PCCBs for my Carrera S cab. Absolutely love the feel and have had no issues with them. I miked the front pads after about 38K and found I had used 0.6 mm out of the original 10.6 mm of pad thickness. When you're not producing brake dust, it's a good sign that you're not wearing or grinding anything excessively.

 

I have just done 8 track days (3 at NJMP Thunderbolt) and found that the rears stock pads were only worn down about 1-2 mm from the original 11 mm thickness. I also feel that I'm overbraking and need to use them less in the future. I guess I'm not pushing hard enough to be wearing them down too soon.

 

I am new to track driving. I have had my 2007 GT3 RS since May, 2010. The first time I drove the car and used the brakes I just had an OMG experience. I have had some decent cars, 2006 BMW 330i, 2008 BMW 535xi, 2008 Porsche Turbo, but the ceramic brakes on the GT3 RS were incredible. To describe the experience, it was like I said, okay, time to start braking, and the next thing I knew, I was stopped, he he, very cool feeling. So, I drove the car with the ceramics at maybe two HPDE events but I was too new to track driving to have anything to compare to. The Porsche technicians that maintain my car highly recommended I switch to steel rotors and Pagid yellow pads, mainly to save on cost of replacement. They cited some people saying the rotors wear out fast, that a rock can fly up and chip the ceramic rotors, and that they simply are not the best for the track. So, I went with their advice, AP Endurance steel rotors in the front, stock steel rotors in the rear, stock yellow calipers, Pagid yellow brake pads. I have been to around 10 HPDE events with the steel and I am not happy at all. Just about every event I have been to, there has been one or two cases where I can't get the car stopped, and I am standing on the pedal with about 70-80% of my leg strength, the ABS never kicks in, or at least I don't feel any pulsating on the pedal, just firm pedal resistance and poor braking. I flush the brake fluid before every event and use Castrol SRF. I'm told the problem I am experiencing is on account of over braking (i.e. operator error). Being a new driver I am sure I am not braking optimally, but seriously, not being able to slow the car down, going off track, or nearly so, when I am standing on the pedal for a good 1-2 seconds? I guess if the pads heat up too much they can release a gas that forms a pocket between the pads and the rotor. So, the point is, ever since I switched to steel, I have been contemplating going back to the PCCB. The Porsche technicians discourage it, but this thread has given me new confidence in making the decision to switch back to PCCB. If nothing else, it will give me a direct comparison. Now that I have a bit of track experience with the steel rotors and Pagid yellows, I can do a direct comparison to the PCCB's. I'll report back once I have switched.

 

You are experiencing exactly what a lot of beginners suffer on track. You probably do not brake hard enough and brake too long which leads to overheating of the brakes. The reason you don't have this with PCCB is because those brakes are nearly impossible to overheat. A decent (stock or aftermarket) steel brake setup on a GT3 should never overheat on track if used correctly. I suggest you get some tuïtion and I presume your instructor will tell you to brake later and harder. Switching back to PCCB will NOT fix driver error

 

Not normal. You should be experiencing the SAME OMG feel....