AMG gone 911 is coming back
06-12-2009, 02:38 PM
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Paul, get a 997TT. It's a great car, the suspension just needs a better alignment and a new kit ($4k or less), like the B16 Bilstein Damptronic kit sold for the 997GT2 as an upgrade, it fits the 997Turbo. Everything else is fine, brakes, power, gearbox. Get one with the adaptive seats.
Even though you took a hit with the AMG, you're going to save much more on the 997TT, they are affordable right now, and they will keep moving on that trend.
If you want to take it to a racetrack once or twice a year, it will be fine. If you don't like the wheels, there are just so many aftermarket wheels available.
I'm glad the back is getting better, now I can take you for a ride.
Even though you took a hit with the AMG, you're going to save much more on the 997TT, they are affordable right now, and they will keep moving on that trend.
If you want to take it to a racetrack once or twice a year, it will be fine. If you don't like the wheels, there are just so many aftermarket wheels available.
I'm glad the back is getting better, now I can take you for a ride.
06-12-2009, 02:57 PM
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i havent seen or driven my RS to date.... but once it comes out of the shop with all the upgrades installed you wont beable to get me out of it. 
thus, i wondering if a stock GT3 is really that more harsh compared to a TT?
thus, i wondering if a stock GT3 is really that more harsh compared to a TT?
06-12-2009, 03:16 PM
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Motons will spoil you.
All I know is that, the K1 delivered to me, on "Champion" springs (pretty sure they were H&Rs, but maybe they had made a switch?) with PASM worked beautifully -- and waaaaaaaay better than the same car on KWs. And a LOT better, less jiggly than any 997 GT3 I've driven. Multiple people commented on the superb ride and excellent, sharp handling in both PASM Normal and Sport, including 996/997 GT2 owner "GT2_josh" who has also owned GT3s and a CGT.
I can see your lay of the land, having come from 996 Turbos and 996 GT2s. The 997 GT2 is a totally different beast to the 996 GT2, and a vastly superior car (stock vs. stock) as a cohesive whole. It also makes the 997 GT3 chassis tuning feel half-baked (my opinion...), which isn't so surprising if you consider who was behind it and what they were up to at the time.
I get the sense that while springs only can improve a 997 Turbo (by tricking PASM into firmer, more controlled maps and limiting effective wheel travel), the key is the other $12k (I think...) in bits Champion installed -- including their bump steer kit. It's too bad when a bunch of readers called asking for the K1 supsension package, they said they hadn't put one together. Every now and then, I'll drive a magic chassis combo. That was one of them.
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All I know is that, the K1 delivered to me, on "Champion" springs (pretty sure they were H&Rs, but maybe they had made a switch?) with PASM worked beautifully -- and waaaaaaaay better than the same car on KWs. And a LOT better, less jiggly than any 997 GT3 I've driven. Multiple people commented on the superb ride and excellent, sharp handling in both PASM Normal and Sport, including 996/997 GT2 owner "GT2_josh" who has also owned GT3s and a CGT.
I can see your lay of the land, having come from 996 Turbos and 996 GT2s. The 997 GT2 is a totally different beast to the 996 GT2, and a vastly superior car (stock vs. stock) as a cohesive whole. It also makes the 997 GT3 chassis tuning feel half-baked (my opinion...), which isn't so surprising if you consider who was behind it and what they were up to at the time.
I get the sense that while springs only can improve a 997 Turbo (by tricking PASM into firmer, more controlled maps and limiting effective wheel travel), the key is the other $12k (I think...) in bits Champion installed -- including their bump steer kit. It's too bad when a bunch of readers called asking for the K1 supsension package, they said they hadn't put one together. Every now and then, I'll drive a magic chassis combo. That was one of them.
pete
I still have yet to drive a 997 GT2, after reading all of your praise upon it's suspension geometry and reworking/chassis rigidity over the GT3/RS I am so intrigued... Thing is, no one I know has one, and the people who do? I am not close enough with and they hardly drive their cars :/
The 997TT you drove i'm sure was stout, but farrrrr from stock seeing 12k was dropped in. Very odd they would keep the stock PASM shocks considering the money put into the rest of the car, and well with the option obviously of changing it, maybe they saw something in the setup and made it work wonderfully, as you stated. I on the other hand, have yet to feel that in a turbo, awesome cars indeed, just not my fun car after experiencing "real" fun car's
06-12-2009, 03:51 PM
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Bobby youre right but the TT is upgradeable to the nth degree.
Why would I need a good physiatrist? You are already admitting a problem by being in this group!!!LOL!!
This is something I dont want to be cured from!!
Why would I need a good physiatrist? You are already admitting a problem by being in this group!!!LOL!!
This is something I dont want to be cured from!!
06-12-2009, 04:50 PM
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And, I suspect, you've got to have a "really good" friend to let you drive one that way -- or be plumb crazy.
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06-12-2009, 04:53 PM
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The real problem for all of these GTs comes when you drive a Cup or an old, but really good dedicated racing 911.
pete
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06-12-2009, 06:07 PM
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06-12-2009, 06:37 PM
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Very curious to drive a good Spec Box at some point...based on my time in the street cars, and modified 986s, it HAS to be a blast....
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