First review (I've seen) of PDK
06-16-2008, 11:01 PM
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I would bet their marketing folks figured that the first people will be the traditional tip users. With that why spend the money to retool. They will end up with the right design when it gets to turbos and GTs
06-16-2008, 11:39 PM
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I really grew to hate the SMG in the E60 M5 after the novelty wore off. In 06 it was BMW's complete redesign latest/greatest/quickest.
In this article I see the same criticisms
Hunting for gears
Abrubt shifting when not expected etc. etc.
The whole gear change process is like changing a radio station
Faster yes but why bother really for a car driven on the street it becomes an annoyance.
In this article I see the same criticisms
Hunting for gears
Abrubt shifting when not expected etc. etc.
The whole gear change process is like changing a radio station
Faster yes but why bother really for a car driven on the street it becomes an annoyance.
06-17-2008, 02:40 AM
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Just goes to show that what Porsche really wants to do is make the automated shifting transmission (I did not say automatic) less of a "you wussed out and bought an automatic" proposition than the old tip. The most intuitive way to shift a manual tranny other than a stick is with paddles. Why else would they have done this in F1? All they're doing is making an automatic more marketable. Flame suit on.
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06-17-2008, 03:18 AM
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Feel the same way about any of these DSG/SMG/FerrariF1 etc.
Works brilliant at flat out and sucky at most other times.
Must be some mechanical engineering reason for this
06-18-2008, 12:04 PM
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On the street redline shifts might draw attention! The R8 chassis was so capable that it felt underpowered, V10? It made anyone driving it look like a hero.
06-18-2008, 04:31 PM
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06-18-2008, 05:39 PM
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Also bummed to see the buttons, but then I've seen them work okay in some apps, so I'll keep an open mind. I am more bummed to see the pull back to downshift thing. It's counterintuitive, at least for this driver.
Ah well. DSG/PDK/etc. appears to be the future. Rohrl told me the saving grace for guys like me (I'm not sure what he meant!
) is that cost will keep manuals available. Maybe in Porsches, but I don't know about the rest of the cars out there. Finding a new GTI *without* DSG was nearly impossible. EVERYbody gets the DSG. EVERYdealer orders it. Only two four-doors in the western half of the U.S. were loaded up and had a manual 6-spd.
Now the new A4 Avant is shiftless, Subie keeps dumping great cars with sticks (new Legacy GT wagon 2.5GT, Forester 2.5XT), and it's getting hard to find a decent stick daily family car. And my wife doesn't want an auto. I know the sales numbers are thin and dying, but do these manufacturers realize that they're throwing away key customers and, more importantly, brand ambassadors in the car nuts who would buy their cars as sticks and then sell friends on the automatics?
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Ah well. DSG/PDK/etc. appears to be the future. Rohrl told me the saving grace for guys like me (I'm not sure what he meant!
) is that cost will keep manuals available. Maybe in Porsches, but I don't know about the rest of the cars out there. Finding a new GTI *without* DSG was nearly impossible. EVERYbody gets the DSG. EVERYdealer orders it. Only two four-doors in the western half of the U.S. were loaded up and had a manual 6-spd.Now the new A4 Avant is shiftless, Subie keeps dumping great cars with sticks (new Legacy GT wagon 2.5GT, Forester 2.5XT), and it's getting hard to find a decent stick daily family car. And my wife doesn't want an auto. I know the sales numbers are thin and dying, but do these manufacturers realize that they're throwing away key customers and, more importantly, brand ambassadors in the car nuts who would buy their cars as sticks and then sell friends on the automatics?
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06-18-2008, 06:17 PM
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let's hope they keep them sticks... I think the other saving grace is these DSG style trannies are not able to hold massive amounts of torque- at least not in anything in the 500ftb of torque cost effectively.... See what happens when folks start to mod the GTR for example:P
06-18-2008, 07:01 PM
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Porsche doesn't have a lot of choice in going to DI and PDK -- both emissions and demand. Just look at 430's without F1. If you can find one.
Surely the GTR and the V-Spec will be snapping that bizarre forward drive-shaft and smoking clutch packs. Wider, stickier rubber should be enough to do it. This will create an after-market industry (assuming Nissan will be rejecting warranty claims.)
Porsche has created problems for itself in the past with things like PCCBs, so you'd have to expect them to be more cautious about exposure to drivers destroying clutches just by using the launch control. But we'll soon see.
Surely the GTR and the V-Spec will be snapping that bizarre forward drive-shaft and smoking clutch packs. Wider, stickier rubber should be enough to do it. This will create an after-market industry (assuming Nissan will be rejecting warranty claims.)
Porsche has created problems for itself in the past with things like PCCBs, so you'd have to expect them to be more cautious about exposure to drivers destroying clutches just by using the launch control. But we'll soon see.
06-18-2008, 07:04 PM
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06-18-2008, 07:06 PM
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That's a completely different kettle of fish of course, but I have high hopes that Porsche -- by the time it gets the GT3 ready -- will be fully sorted. Then again, if you look at their "programming" (and that's being generous) in the Cayenne Turbo transmission, well, it's disappointing to see the Porsche name on anything that half-baked.