Pagid P50 "green" race pad - pics + some info ...
#16
Former Vendor
*UPDATE*
I do now have the correct Porsche Motorsports pads for PCCB cars.
Either use OEM or these PMNA pads - NO other pads is approved for use on PCCB rotors - none.
Contact me, I have a fresh bunch from PM
I do now have the correct Porsche Motorsports pads for PCCB cars.
Either use OEM or these PMNA pads - NO other pads is approved for use on PCCB rotors - none.
Contact me, I have a fresh bunch from PM
#20
Rennlist Member
I'm new and not sure what your objective is, but the PMNA Green Pagid pad is a unique part for PMNA but is he same material as the Gray Pagid pad, If you check out the Pagid tech data you will see it has the highest coefficient of friction of any Pagid pad. Therefore it gives the most aggressive initial bite and the downside is that it is the most aggressive on rotors-wear is high. It is an all out sprint pad,
Having used it and many of the other Pagid compounds on cup cars for last 7 years, I moved away from green pads and went to the endurance yellow (first P19, now updated to P29 pads). In order to play with brake bias before having in car adjustable bias, I have used P19s in front, and the P50s in rear to get more rear bias. Advice though is be careful as there is a big difference in bite and wear, nothing is free,
Having used it and many of the other Pagid compounds on cup cars for last 7 years, I moved away from green pads and went to the endurance yellow (first P19, now updated to P29 pads). In order to play with brake bias before having in car adjustable bias, I have used P19s in front, and the P50s in rear to get more rear bias. Advice though is be careful as there is a big difference in bite and wear, nothing is free,
#21
Head Shot
It's technical information with regards to the pad comppounds - and if you bothered to read the other P50 posts, you'd find that this is a HUGE area of confusion.
Your rudeness continues to amaze us:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...ic-brakes.html
Your rudeness continues to amaze us:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...ic-brakes.html
You took a head shot in the thread you reference and you're dead. Stop making these noises about what continues to "amaze us" ... and who's "us?" Are you royalty and entitled to the "Royal We" ... ?
#22
Rennlist Member
So for PCCB what is the advantage if any of the Pagid green pads over OE???????????
I have had no issue with the OE pads performance at all...However they do not last more that 7-8 track days.
I have had no issue with the OE pads performance at all...However they do not last more that 7-8 track days.
#23
Any definition yet on 1) the "actual" part #s for ceramics versus non ceramics with P50 material and 2) the prices for the various parts (even if it is MSRP (which no one pays!)) and 3) the specification re the material in each of the alternatives; or will the the messenger continue to be beheaded...rotors destroyed and myths about the inadequacies of ceramics perpetuated.
I can't believe the Engineers on this forum are content with the vagueness surrounding this whole subject!
I can't believe the Engineers on this forum are content with the vagueness surrounding this whole subject!
#24
I'm new and not sure what your objective is, but the PMNA Green Pagid pad is a unique part for PMNA but is he same material as the Gray Pagid pad, If you check out the Pagid tech data you will see it has the highest coefficient of friction of any Pagid pad. Therefore it gives the most aggressive initial bite and the downside is that it is the most aggressive on rotors-wear is high. It is an all out sprint pad,
Having used it and many of the other Pagid compounds on cup cars for last 7 years, I moved away from green pads and went to the endurance yellow (first P19, now updated to P29 pads). In order to play with brake bias before having in car adjustable bias, I have used P19s in front, and the P50s in rear to get more rear bias. Advice though is be careful as there is a big difference in bite and wear, nothing is free,
Having used it and many of the other Pagid compounds on cup cars for last 7 years, I moved away from green pads and went to the endurance yellow (first P19, now updated to P29 pads). In order to play with brake bias before having in car adjustable bias, I have used P19s in front, and the P50s in rear to get more rear bias. Advice though is be careful as there is a big difference in bite and wear, nothing is free,
The pad we are discussing is the P50 and *is PCCB specific*. For sure the pad you are referencing is a totally different compound.
P50 Greens on PCCB come into play at higher brake temps, wear better (thicker lining material), and tend to require higher brake pedal pressure to get bite when cold.
I find the stock P40's crack more and have even given me a soft(er) pedal when really worked hard. The P50's never have given me a soft pedal.
Oh PS- After a good track thrashing my P50's squeal like a freaking freight train.
#25
Haha... I think you are referring to a different "green" pad. Initial bite of a P50 green is FAR worse than the stock PCCB P40 pads unless they are fully up to temp. When tracking, if you don't get some heat into your PCCB greens you are in for a mighty rude surprise at your first high speed corner my friend.
The pad we are discussing is the P50 and *is PCCB specific*. For sure the pad you are referencing is a totally different compound.
P50 Greens on PCCB come into play at higher brake temps, wear better (thicker lining material), and tend to require higher brake pedal pressure to get bite when cold.
I find the stock P40's crack more and have even given me a soft(er) pedal when really worked hard. The P50's never have given me a soft pedal.
Oh PS- After a good track thrashing my P50's squeal like a freaking freight train.
The pad we are discussing is the P50 and *is PCCB specific*. For sure the pad you are referencing is a totally different compound.
P50 Greens on PCCB come into play at higher brake temps, wear better (thicker lining material), and tend to require higher brake pedal pressure to get bite when cold.
I find the stock P40's crack more and have even given me a soft(er) pedal when really worked hard. The P50's never have given me a soft pedal.
Oh PS- After a good track thrashing my P50's squeal like a freaking freight train.
Squeal is something you think they'd have resolved by now.
What's the Porsche or PMNA p/n for the set of greens on ceramics?
#26
Interesting- the rears are still P40 material, just thicker (and green!). I forgot about that.
Don't know about the PMNA or P number?
#27
Rennlist Member
I have the same problem with P50s--whether on stock PCCBs or aftermarket Brembo racing steels (those with the funky criss-cross slots). Once you work these pads up to operating temperature they squeal like a pig in the slaughterhouse...
I'm on my second set of P50s and probably the last. Going back to stock P40s and Pagid RS29s coz I can't put up with the aural torture... (not to mention the funny looks from other drivers in the paddock!)
#28
Rennlist Member
And with the P50 pads, is the advantage, greater longevity of the pad relative to P40 and better braking when at temp?
For the advanced intermediates like myself, what is the consensus?
#29
I've read a number of threads on the P50 pads for PCCB and am still confused. My first question is, can the OE pads (P40) be used on PCCB for the track if you are willing to change them more frequently? And are they more PCCB rotor friendly that P50 or is there no difference in that regard?
And with the P50 pads, is the advantage, greater longevity of the pad relative to P40 and better braking when at temp?
For the advanced intermediates like myself, what is the consensus?
And with the P50 pads, is the advantage, greater longevity of the pad relative to P40 and better braking when at temp?
For the advanced intermediates like myself, what is the consensus?
In my experience (Spyder and RS), OE PCCB pads have more cold and intermediate temp bite, the OE pads wear faster, crack more, can chunk, bevel faster, and I have gotten them to fade.
The P50s' have less bite when cold, better bite and feel when hot, crack less, never chunk, sometimes squeal like an 18 wheeler, never fade. You MUST get some heat into these pads for them to work 100%. A warm up lap is critical.
Rotor wear on my cars is negligible if any.
With all this said, I would hate to track on P40's (OE) again. Not as confidence inspiring when hot.
There are always trade-offs, yes?