Funny, it's like that on many Forums.

"jackassery"

Texas term?

 

Didn't intend to get in the middle of an ongoing argument - I guess I didn't get the whole picture before I jumped in.

Stuka, if your Christmas list is still in play, I'll take a 997GT2, in white, special-ordered with no PSM. Thanks.

 

Well, actually... whining and complaining to our representatives is exactly how we can get such stupid federal mandates reversed!

 

You have a few BMW's, so I will remind you why "whining" works. Do you remember when the 2000 E46 had the overboosted steering? And people complained and complained, and complained. And what happened? Right, a retrofit kit was made available to unscrew the messed up steering.

I have told a few dealers who approached me about the 997 that I will only be interested if I can get it without sunroof. Perhaps it doesn't work in the P car workd, I don't know, only time will tell.

As far as this whole "don't use the car to the point where he will even notice." I had a sunroofed P car, and I noticed the damn creaking every time I drove over a berm on the track, and every time my helmet bumped against the headliner.

Don't you think a current GT2 owner might just be interested in how the new one is going to be? So, you want it one way, and I want it another way. And as far as non owners go, no one has a 997 GT2 yet.

And you know and I know the hamfisted comment is totally spot on. There were plenty in the 996 GT2 world. Search the interweb for crashed pictures ON THE PUBLIC ROAD, let along the track. So, why is PSM there? To "help" one at 150 at Willow? Or to help one at "look at me and my 0 to 60 in 3 second car!"

No, I said that, like Pole said, it is child's play to "drfit." And I also said that autox classes are way more effective at keeping your GT2 in one piece than any electronics.

I don't understand why some of you are getting completely emo. It's a car. Every car has it's problems. I don't get out of shape when someone tells me that PCCB is a waste of $$$, that the GT2 is overpriced, that it rides like ****, etc, and etc. After all, no car is perfect, and I don't associate who I am with what I drive.

 

Pole, seriously, perhaps it's getting lost between you and old guy. I do not go to timed events, because I am not rich enough to write a check for a balled up GT2 should anything happens. Is that clear enough? No timed events is ever ever covered by insurance. And all I was talking about was the fact that the only thing PSM does is give you false sense of confidence and get you in bigger trouble, I have seen it on the track in fast group, and I am sure you have too.

And as far as Willow goes, it just does not interest me. However, I have been to Button Willow, Sears, Vegas bullring, and THill quite a few times, and I much prefer them over Willow, for the simple fact that blind turns, elevation changes, and off camber blind turns are just more interesting to me.

Some people just don't like sunroof and electronics, those same people don't need to be in ALMS to appreciate them.

 

"Whining" works extremely well in the BMW world. We whined about overboosted steering, ****ty brakes, grenading engines, and mandatory sunroof.

You know what happened?

BMW relented every single time.

Maybe it doesn't work in the P car world?

 

I don't understand why some on this forum just cannot help themselves getting completely emo and personal.

No one here owns a 997 GT2. So what makes your opinion of the car right, and mine wrong?

 

Stuka your PM is full

 

DE's ain't covered by most insurance companies either, not just timed events. Track experience or not, that fact alone might make one think twice about pounding a 130k car at the track anything more than a couple of times a yr.
jmo, back to your corners.

 

You are of course, correct.

There are still some who cover DE, but you will need to have your policy reviewed by a competent attorney.

However, if you live in MA, the state insurance commission has decided that no policy is to cover DE.

 

Even if you are covered the policy may get dropped when time for renewal.

 

Yes, they will usually drop you, speaking as someone who used to work in the insurance/bodyshop industry.

But, it sure beats writing a 130K or whatever 6 figure check for a car that's not even driveable any more, eh?

 

Pardon me, but it is you with the personal references and emotion;

You have droned on, boringly, nauseatingly about electronic stability systems in these cars and made certain that we all understood that you are posessed of driving skills the average Porsche owner lacks. You have referred numerous times to these other beknighted souls in neagtive terms. Your ardor and persistance leaves one no other conclusion then that you must be emotionally invested in these points of view.

You have gone on, tooth and nail to answer and indeed avenge posts that you disagree with. You have authored posts that are so heavily laden with Testosterone that it is near embarassing. In one thread about Tip, you actually started to hold forth on how one should drive stick shift in traffic for the unknowledgable (you seem to want so hard to be an expert). What other conclusion are sensible folks to draw except that you have some personal stake in us KNOWING how great you are? And by overwhelming implication and innuendo that us non- 996 GT-2 owners would have a hard time emulating your feats of derring-do.

My opinion is neither right or wrong, not sure where you get that. But unlike you, I've reserved one. You, OTOH are content to go on and on about vehicles when you have presented no evidence that you have ever driven them at any speed, much less the harrowing speed you must be piloting your "speed racer" at.

Please, don't call on me again. I had one reply ready to send, but I dumped it since I didn't want any other non-997 user coming to the rescue of their Knight in Distress. I'm really just a nice warm-fuzzy type at heart and don't want anyone getting the wrong impression.

 

Well written Allegretto!! Nicely put too.

 

How will I KNOW when I am qualified to own/drive a GT2? Will I get a tingle somewhere, or an obvious inflated sense of self-worth, or an urge to turn in a lesser car laden with electronic driving aids and a sunroof? How will I know?