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Old 10-19-2017, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ngng
I've got a set of HRG coming as well, I will take measurements but I'm sure they're fine. I paid $90 to HRG and he included O rings and shipping! I will likely model a set myself and machine it out of 6061.

It's pretty cool we can use these fittings and bypass the Cup lines entirely!
Since you're modeling and designing your own fittings, may I suggest making the hex size to standard AN-6 which uses 11/16" wrench. The orange color fittings I got from ebay have unnecessarily big hex size for 1" wrench. That is good for getting a strong grip on the fittings before its install on the rack but once they're on the rack I'd imagine it'll take some patience and cursing to put a 1" wrench up in that area. Will need a stubby 1" wrench. The HRG fittings look to have smaller hex size than 1".


Originally Posted by ngng
Tom- do you have any thoughts on the Cup idler pulley with a bracket vs just replacing the belt with something smaller?
If you're removing the AC compressor then getting all Cup parts makes the belt drive conversion a "buy & fit" situation. If you're keeping the AC with Cup idler pulley then you'll need to experiment with belt lengths to determine final belt size unless someone else hase done it and provided the info. You could just get a 1693mm or 1690mm belt like I did. See post #605 in this link-
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Old 10-19-2017, 11:18 AM
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Anyone have pics of this mounted up near the battery box ? I haven't even considered this prior but use my Frunk far too much to mount it there....
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Originally Posted by pete95zhn
Good info, thanks! Makes me think about future mods.

​​​How about belt length and rollers required after PS pump removal?
No changes required. Just have to measure and get a correctly sized belt. Route it like this-
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Originally Posted by Scawt
Since you also have a 996 and close by, here's my custom Rothsport mount for the electric PS. I'm sure they could make more if you convince Jeff.

Nice dude!

I'd buy one if he makes more, but I have no personal dealings with Rothsport yet. Think he'd make one for a random guy?

I'd love to check out your car, hope to see you at the track one of these days.
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Originally Posted by Tom-TPC Racing
Since you're modeling and designing your own fittings, may I suggest making the hex size to standard AN-6 which uses 11/16" wrench. The orange color fittings I got from ebay have unnecessarily big hex size for 1" wrench. That is good for getting a strong grip on the fittings before its install on the rack but once they're on the rack I'd imagine it'll take some patience and cursing to put a 1" wrench up in that area. Will need a stubby 1" wrench. The HRG fittings look to have smaller hex size than 1".
I was planning on using the standard AN-6 dimensions. Once my HRG fittings show up I will update the post with measurements as well.


If you're removing the AC compressor then getting all Cup parts makes the belt drive conversion a "buy & fit" situation. If you're keeping the AC with Cup idler pulley then you'll need to experiment with belt lengths to determine final belt size unless someone else hase done it and provided the info. You could just get a 1693mm or 1690mm belt like I did. See post #605 in this link-
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...07-gt3-42.html
For a "street car" with AC, sounds like I will be following your route.
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Originally Posted by T10Chris
Nice dude!

I'd buy one if he makes more, but I have no personal dealings with Rothsport yet. Think he'd make one for a random guy?

I'd love to check out your car, hope to see you at the track one of these days.
it would actually be very easy to make. whoever designed the pump decided not to be an *******.

the angle of the studs are 45 degrees. the diameter of the pump base is 100mm. here are some measurements:

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and, you can see on the 45deg plane the pilot hole for the stud
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and here you see the larger countersunk hole for the nut
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Here is a pretty simplistic approach. I would imagine a mounting plate as such, would work rather nicely near the battery as well.

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Originally Posted by ngng
and, you can see on the 45deg plane the pilot hole for the stud


and here you see the larger countersunk hole for the nut
Sweet, thanks for those diagrams/measurements. Might not be a bad idea. Also the clamp mounting solution posted looks viable as well.. I've got access to a full metal/fabrication shop, may as well take advantage of that... Just sometimes, easier to buy it.
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Originally Posted by T10Chris
Sweet, thanks for those diagrams/measurements. Might not be a bad idea. Also the clamp mounting solution posted looks viable as well.. I've got access to a full metal/fabrication shop, may as well take advantage of that... Just sometimes, easier to buy it.
once I finalize, I will share more as well. this whole thing has just been an exercise for me to learn how to model and build!
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HRG stuff showed up. They come with OEM Porsche O-rings. Looks like the high pressure HRG end is a tad larger.

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Adding HRG measurements inline with Tom's Rebel measurements:

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Originally Posted by ngng
HRG stuff showed up. They come with OEM Porsche O-rings. Looks like the high pressure HRG end is a tad larger.






Adding HRG measurements inline with Tom's Rebel measurements:

Low pressure fitting (top -> bottom OEM/Rebel/HRG)






High pressure fitting (top -> bottom OEM/Rebel/HRG)




Which do you like better. The hrg or rebel?
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Originally Posted by bmwtye
Which do you like better. The hrg or rebel?
I don't feel too strong either way, but if I had to pick I would say HRG. I like that it comes with OEM O-rings and, like Tom mentioned, I can fit a smaller wrench on the fittings.
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Tom- did you crimp the HP fittings yourself? or have a shop do it?
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Originally Posted by ngng
I don't feel too strong either way, but if I had to pick I would say HRG. I like that it comes with OEM O-rings and, like Tom mentioned, I can fit a smaller wrench on the fittings.
I'm trying to decide on which fitting to get. Looking at the comparison of the fittings you posted above, it looks like the OEM and Rebel are identical while the HRG is slightly different by a few hundreds. Not sure if that matters. Has anyone installed and verified fitment of both the Rebel and the HRG? I don't want any surprises. Anyone have links or part numbers for for both the Rebel or HRG?

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