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Old 09-07-2015, 12:56 AM
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I owned a '96 993 which I loved ... but traded it for a 2000 996 because I needed more creature comforts for the miles I drove on a regular basis. I do miss the 993 but I still feel that I made the correct decision. Now I drive an '07 997 and absolutely love it. Retro is cool but newer is more comfortable for an older guy like me.

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Question to all air cooled experts:
Looking back at the last recession, how much did the 964 and 993 values depreciate? Say from peak of the market in 2005 to maybe 2008-2009... thanks
Old 09-07-2015, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceter
At this point, the ones that are left in my acceptable price range are the late seventies and eighties models--and those aren't really stellar cars.
My first Porsche was a 77 911S. That car was very reliable (thankfully as I was in college with a limited repair budget) and a ton of fun. It may be from the "not so stellar" era, but I wouldn't hesitate to get another one.
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Originally Posted by z3mcoupe
I have a '69 912 if anyone is looking ! I love it to bits, but I have to let it go unfortunately.
sand beige, love it, more pics and price plz, thanks
Old 09-07-2015, 09:39 AM
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without question IMO the air cooled cars are more of a drivers cars than the H2O cars. I always look for a reason to drive my air-cooled over the others and always have.

if you want creature comforts than the air-cooled car is not for you, if you want a huge grin and awsome sound behind you that air-cooled it is
Old 09-07-2015, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ChristianR
without question IMO the air cooled cars are more of a drivers cars than the H2O cars. I always look for a reason to drive my air-cooled over the others and always have.

if you want creature comforts than the air-cooled car is not for you, if you want a huge grin and awsome sound behind you that air-cooled it is
Point taken but I don't think that it is quite that black and white. I was driving my 993 3k to 4k monthly...not just weekend rides or short runs around town. The 993 was plenty comfortable for the latter but I was also not a "spring chicken" so it was not easy on my body ether. I did not care about A/C even though I had it. I loved listening to the mechanical sounds so I'd rarely use the radio. I do the same with my current car...can't remember the last day that I turned on my radio or a/c unit ... but I no longer drive 3k to 4k miles every month. Every Porsche offers something for everyone and they are all wonderful machines. I feel blessed to have had the joy of owning and enjoying three so far.
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997: quick, comfortable, capable, easy to drive, great choice for any trip

930: brutal, visceral, loud, smelly, difficult to drive properly but highly rewarding, huge smiles when the turbo spools up

If I had to sell one it would be the 997, but it would be highly missed. I had an 83 SC that was really a great car and fun to drive. You can still pick one of those up for a reasonable price. They are under powered but light and nimble.

With any older car, you need to be a DIYer or enjoy funding your mechanic's retirement. The plus is that they are much easier to diagnose and fix than the 996 and beyond.

In the 930 market, stock cars are the ones pulling the really crazy prices. Look for something that has been carefully upgraded and it will be more fun to drive anyway. I could probably get north of $100k for my 87, but it's just too much fun to park in the garage or sell. I don't DD it per se, but it's not a weekend only car either.
Old 09-09-2015, 09:37 AM
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The appeal of the 930 I just don't get it.

It is absolute dog ***** slow, and then finally, all the boost rushes in at like 4500rpm to make it merely ok quick. I get that it came out in the 70s and that it was fast for that era, but its just such an unpleasant driving experience.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
The appeal of the 930 I just don't get it.

It is absolute dog ***** slow, and then finally, all the boost rushes in at like 4500rpm to make it merely ok quick. I get that it came out in the 70s and that it was fast for that era, but its just such an unpleasant driving experience.
In stock form yes, you are right that they feel very slow off the line, but even in the 80s the 0-60 was comparable to a modern 3.6 non-turbo. 0-20 consumes 2/3 of the time, but then hang on because 20-100 goes by in a blink. The engines are so easy to modify that getting 400 reliable HP is not crazy expensive, and 600+ is attainable.

On the track they are a blast, you just have to run around in a gear lower than you would think to keep the revs up. If you can keep your cornering revs up, the boost is instantaneous when you get on the throttle.

Having said that, I understand why they don't appeal to everyone. Don't get me wrong, I love my 997 and generally put more miles on it than the 930, but there is just something about the old girl that puts a smile on my face and is a totally unique driving experience. More engaging and exciting (dangerous?) IMHO.

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I've had 914's, 911 SC's and 3.2 carerra's-

all great cars.

my 914 is my all time favorite P-car, that said, on a 90degree day....the 997 wins every time. I use my 997 way more because I don't worry if it may rain or if I may get stuck in traffic.

I'll definitely get another 914 and turn it into a back road barnstormer/occasional track car-
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Originally Posted by KwaH
Am I crazy for thinking about dumping a ton of cash into a 930? Those have always been my favorite body style Porsches. It just hard to imagine paying the outrageous prices these things are selling for but I'm seriously considering it. What I'm worried about is in my mind I've built this thing up over 20 years as being awesome. In reality it will be slower than my 997 C2S. Has anyone gone down this road and if so please share your thoughts and experiences.
Yes you are, buying an air-cooled Porsche right now would be the equivalent of buying Apple Stock when it was over 500 dollars a share. Wait until we have another recession or the bubble bursts. These cars are extremely over-rated atm and enjoying a 2005 like housing bubble.
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You want a strong buy? 997.1
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Originally Posted by Para82
Yes you are, buying an air-cooled Porsche right now would be the equivalent of buying Apple Stock when it was over 500 dollars a share. Wait until we have another recession or the bubble bursts. These cars are extremely over-rated atm and enjoying a 2005 like housing bubble.
I cannot predict the future but I (and many others) are not sure Porsche classic prices are in a bubble. These cars were not produced in the millions like other cars whose valuations created a bubble.

BTW... Apple stock was split 7/1 on June 2014. Even if bought then at $500/share it would still have a substantial gain when it trades today at $110/share (post split).
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Originally Posted by Para82
You want a strong buy? 997.1
I highly doubt that 997.1s are a strong buy. Unless you mean that for $20K you get a lot of Porsche, but...
For one the engine is very problematic (IMS, RMS, Scored cylinders, etc..). Then Porsche made over 130,000 of them in a four year span. For comparison under 45,000 997.2s were made.
They will continue to drop in price for a while still. And unfortunately dragging the 997.2s with them.
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Originally Posted by ADias
I cannot predict the future but I (and many others) are not sure Porsche classic prices are in a bubble. These cars were not produced in the millions like other cars whose valuations created a bubble.
100% agree. The prices are correcting to where they should have been all along. Like I mentioned above almost 200,000 997s were made. Only a few thousand 356s, 930s, 993TTs, etc. Plus everyone and their mother is a collector now.


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