driver's ed voids CPO warranty
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Very cool... do they cover the Mustang GT as well for track? Would be great to see more auto manufacturers back their racing heritage and a little less energy expended towards marketing hype. I wonder what Jaguar, Audi, and AM policies are re DE's? Heard from my p-tech that the Nissan GTR apparently requires a $1,500 service after each track day to retain their factory warranty... but at least they give you that pricey option.
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Very cool... do they cover the Mustang GT as well for track? Would be great to see more auto manufacturers back their racing heritage and a little less energy expended towards marketing hype. I wonder what Jaguar, Audi, and AM policies are re DE's? Heard from my p-tech that the Nissan GTR apparently requires a $1,500 service after each track day to retain their factory warranty... but at least they give you that pricey option.
Here is the track key also known as the "Red Key"
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So, as a potential owner...this policy by Porsche makes me think that either their cars are too fragile, or they (Porsche) are too cheap to stand behind their "high performance" cars. It makes me think that maybe I should forget Porsches altogether and just stick with Corvettes, as Chevrolet does cover their car for track use. I don't track my cars anymore, but Porsche seems to be telling their customers that their cars aren't up to serious high-speed use, and since that's what they were designed for, with this warranty limitation Porsche appears to be admitting that they've failed and that their cars are no good. What else are we supposed to think?
When you track your car on a regular basis you put considerable stresses on it. It's not so much that the car can't handle them (the stresses), it's just that you have to be more fastidious in checking and maintaining things. My guess is that PCNA markets the car as a turn key track and road car but also thinks that a lot of people may just drive the crap out of the car on the track without any preventive or additional maintenance. Rather than getting stuck with the bill, PCNA, adds that the warranty is voided by track use. Now, they may not always apply it. Say you track your car a a few times a year and they look at the ECU and figure this out/suspect this to be the case; it's possible they will look the other way and not question the warranty work. This might not be the case if you track your car 10 or 12 times a year. So, I think it's just PCNA's way of controlling costs and not giving the track junkie a free pass. Of course it would be nice to not have to rely on the goodwill of PCNA if you track a couple times a year but, from a business perspective it's easier to say no and make an exception than to put this type of wording into a warranty contract. What's more, if VAG/PAG seeks to increase their profits, I wonder why they don't offer a limited track warranty.
It's also my guess that the Corvette and Boss are covered by warranty for track use because they are more limited in production and Ford/GM have done their homework and figured out how many units will be put on the track (and how often) and this may be calculated into the price.
Of course these are all suppositions that proceed under the concept of "There is no such thing as a free lunch", but you did ask, "What else are we supposed to think?"
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If that was true, I wouldn't be over here checking out Porsches. I'm in my late 50s, and I've been in Corvettes all my life. In the last several years I'm finding that I'm finally tired of all the compromises necessary to achieve GT3 performance at Boxster prices. It's just that I'm a little disappointed in Porsche's apparently chintzy/cheap warranty policy. They charge an awful lot of extra money for their cars...it just seems to me, an admitted outsider, that they could maybe stand behind them a little better than they say they will.
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If you're disappointed with Porsche before you even own the car, maybe you'd be happier in a Corvette.
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I believe that restriction goes to the fact that the warranty you get is for personal non-commercial use. If you use the care for drivers ed (as in YOU are the instructor employing the car to teach others how to drive) for hire, then its a commercial use and the warranty doesn't cover it.
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Porsche and insurance companies used to be somewhat open minded about coverage at DE events. With everyone is this country happy to sue anyone for anything, they've had to rein things in. The fact is, today's high performance street cars will out perform race cars from the 70s and 80s. If it were YOUR company and YOUR money would you cover any yahoo that takes to a race track? I don't think so. For every 20-25 competent and careful drivers Ive encountered at DEs, Ive come across 1 or 2 complete idiots that thing they're playing a video game.
Just assume when you turn onto the track YOU are responsible for EVERYTHING. If you can't pay to fix it, stay away. Blanket warranty and standard car insurance policies covering track use went the way of leaded gas.
Just assume when you turn onto the track YOU are responsible for EVERYTHING. If you can't pay to fix it, stay away. Blanket warranty and standard car insurance policies covering track use went the way of leaded gas.